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Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#122

More breathless fawning rhetoric and nebulous jargon, but I guess the target audience is blockchain enthusiasts so that makes sense. At the end of the day it's their money, so what I do I care? I find it frustrating when I hear comparisons of the blockchain to internet and cellphone communication platforms. The potential use cases for the internet and cellphones were immediately obvious (instant remote communication)…

Is there any logic whatsoever in talking about the intersection of AI and crypto (or AI and blockchain)? It seems to me that this intersection is very close to the empty set.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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Which basically sums up my problem with it. It is sad that the primary angle anyone looks at this from is as an investor or even a VC. That results in lots of wasted time, money, and specifically for most blockchain businesses wasted carbon ouput.

If the only problem is that we've wasted a lot of time, and in the end one company builds one product that changes the world, then maybe it's worth it.

The existence of a positive net result is not sufficient justification for a poor, inefficient, or wasteful process that led to that result.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#124

The skepticism of blockchain technology is borne out of a lack of specific problems it solves. Which happens to also be the bedrock of the conventional startup wisdom -- value derived from solving a problem or exploiting an opportunity. So much of the blockchain hype is focused purely on the technology and the valuation of the tokens / coins. Not the problem it solves. It's distributed trust. That's the problem it so…

> It's distributed trust. That's the problem it solves. It's incredibly cool technology. That solves a specific problem. That's still not it. "Distributed Trust" isn't a problem, its a trait. What actual problem is solved by distributed trust?

If you can fix distributed trust you could probably reshape global trade however you see fit. Lack of systemic trust creates mountains of complexity to deal with -- look at how many parties have to be involved just to have a product manufactured in another country

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#125

More and more traditional money will flow into Crypto, not because Crypto is the answer for everything, but people just want to bet on the something that might in some form change everything in the future. I really get surprised by the boolean arguments whether blockchain is of any use arguments on HN. I mean there's so much activity, money, talent in Crypto since last year. Goldman Sachs CEO said actually in the nic…

I come from the other side of the argument: since there's so much money poured into cryptocurrencies, so many talents spending their days working on it, huge companies like Goldman Sachs saying that it's the future then what's taking so long?

I'm not even asking for a killer app at this point, just for a compelling argument of what the future of a blockchain-powered world will look like. I don't think I'm a "know-it-all" just for asking for a tangible explanation which doesn't revolve around a bunch of hand-waving or technically, socially and economically ridiculous statements such as "imagine Facebook but it's the blockchain".

Blockchain is not the magic device people make out to be, it's a cool hack but so far its practical use cases are rather limited. And if you think I'm a know-it-all for saying that I'm sure that you'll easily be able to shame me for the fraud that I am by pointing out the multiple problems that can be solved by the Blockchain more efficiently than with good old technology. So far all I have is "buying illegal stuff online" and "selling illegal stuff online". For everything else there's PostgreSQL.

People compare blockchain and cryptocurrencies to the internet or cell phones but I think it's completely disingenuous. While I'm sure you could find plenty of naysayers back then who failed to understand the scope of what the internet would become and how revolutionary it was at the very least easy to see what it brought to the table. You could communicate with anybody around the world, play games, maybe even buy stuff. You can argue about how important and valuable that is, but at least the potential is clear.

When you read these Blockchain pamphlets it feels like they're trying to convert them to their religion or political movement. It's about user experiences and decentralization and building blocks of trust. It's about the power of software and the encoding of human thought. And VR and AR for some reason.

I say that's just bullshit.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

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Speaking as a longtime skeptic, A16Z has actually produced the single clearest answer I've seen to that question: blockchains may be good for bootstrapping new network effects by giving early participants in a network (in a Metcalfe's Law sense of network) an incentive to participate. Pure utility tokens can be like call options on the eventual value of the network if it gets off the ground. It's a novel way of solvi…

The best thing I've seen blockchains used for, besides currency, is as an integration platform for a non-centralized supply chain. There's really no money in it, since there aren't any gatekeepers, but that's sort of the point.

The idea is that the farmer picks his carrots, puts them in a box and sends them off to the carrot juice guy. When he does this he puts a upc code on the side of the carrot box and then puts the code into the blockchain as I shipped this thing to the carrot juice guy. Carrot juice guy receives carrot juice, makes carrot juice with carrots in box and then says, I used these carrots to make this juice in these 300 bottles. Ships it to distributor. Distributor says I received these carrot juice shipments. I then sold 1-30 to convenience store A . End consumer bought one at 3:30pm and got sick. You have the record of how it got there and how much time it spent everywhere, etc. The thing here is there is no centralized supply chain company who controls everything, everyone just puts it on the blockchain that NO ONE OWNS. This is a net gain for everybody in the network, but there is no centralized profit there, except for maybe some systems integrators working at the edges.

This is why blockchain will probably be this kind of subtle thing that doesn't make anybody a lot of money, but just seeps into industry over time. It's a bit like containerization in a way. Huge global impact, but not really any one company who made their fortune on the container technology itself, but all the companies around it benefited.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#128
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Trust is inescapable. You've simply shifted yours from reputational trust to trust in the decentralization of the computing frontier of a specific hashing problem. But while reputational trust is cheap and a well-solved problem, the trust you're using _requires_ large amounts of computing value to be burned continuously, in the hopes that electricity and computation are decentralized enough in the real world that mul…

I agree mostly with the point you're making, but there's an important distinction between "reputational trust" and an assumption that game theory and market forces will continue to provide the necessary levels of decentralization for Bitcoin to operate as intended. I'm not sure it's fair to put those two ideas on equal ground as if all forms of trust should be embraced because it's "inescapable". Reputational trust (…

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Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#129

The skepticism of blockchain technology is borne out of a lack of specific problems it solves. Which happens to also be the bedrock of the conventional startup wisdom -- value derived from solving a problem or exploiting an opportunity. So much of the blockchain hype is focused purely on the technology and the valuation of the tokens / coins. Not the problem it solves. It's distributed trust. That's the problem it so…

I don't think it's too hard to find potential problems it can solve, but it's not necessarily needed to solve it. 1. Imagine you use FB. Instead of FB having all of your data, it's stored on the blockchain (encrypted). The problem we have now is if a new social network comes along if you create an account you lose all of your previous data (which may or may not be what you want). This would let you easily bring in an…

You really haven't explained what "on the blockchain" means and how it helps any of these situations.

"voting ... on the blockchain" This just sounds like the hype that parent was talking about.

Maybe all of this means something in your head, but the way it reads is the same as when companies file patents for "Doing ${THING}, but on the internet", as if that categorically changes the thing.

Re: Introducing A16Z Crypto

#130

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Solve an actual, real life problem. All I see are Long Island Ice Tea Blockchain Corp. and Walmat saying that they're using blockchain to help their supply chain (whatever that means). The reality is is that Blockchain is no longer new. Compare it to iPhone - they both roughly came out at the same time, yet we're still having the same conversations - "What problem does Blockchain solve" - while the iPhone found its p…

I believe the actual problem this solves, the "killer application," is already out there.

Can you specify what that is?
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