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tl;dr, Vibration due to shouting causes measurable impact on spinning disk performance, increasing io latency. I guess this wouldn't apply to SSD's though?

Are datacentres transitioning to SSDs ? Or have they already?

They are still not cost efficient when compared to traditional hard disks, so they are usually used for intent logging and de-staging to conventional disks. The pricing is nowhere near competitive in USD/GB or in total capacity for SSD’s to replace conventional disk-based storage.

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It seems almost common to break HDDs just while testing the firealarm. There are several incidents after a quick search. The latest big one was maybe this April in the Nasdaq's Scandinavian Data Center. https://m.slashdot.org/story/339921

nice paper on this:

Blue Note: How Intentional Acoustic Interference Damages Availability and Integrity in Hard Disk Drives and Operating Systems [pdf] https://spqr.eecs.umich.edu/papers/bolton-blue-note-IEEESSP-...

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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Ah, it's a classic. And wow, Brendan Gregg looks so young. And video uploaded by Bryan Cantrill himself. Damn it SUN had so many superstars yet it's Oracle that survived.

Brendan and Bryan in particular seem to be doing really well. Brendan is senior performance architect at Netflix http://www.brendangregg.com/bio.html Bryan is the CTO at Joyent, a cloud computing pioneer recently acquired by Samsung. https://www.joyent.com/about/management/bryan-cantrill

As someone who is contemplating what I do after I am done with a full time, “9-5” job, it’s amusing how much we as a culture equate “doing well” with a job at a company.

Not a criticism of your statement, just an opportunity to point that out.

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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It seems almost common to break HDDs just while testing the firealarm. There are several incidents after a quick search. The latest big one was maybe this April in the Nasdaq's Scandinavian Data Center. https://m.slashdot.org/story/339921

After this incident, our property owner installed "silencers" on the fire extinguisher system in the data center we rent.

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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It seems almost common to break HDDs just while testing the firealarm. There are several incidents after a quick search. The latest big one was maybe this April in the Nasdaq's Scandinavian Data Center. https://m.slashdot.org/story/339921

This issue, according to what I have heard, had to do with the fire suppression system going off by misstake and the explosion that happened when the gas was going to be released caused the vibrations.

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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Did you know that your HDDs performance may drop if you have too many correctable ecc errors?

We had servers that started an alert and a buzzer when ecc errors exceeded some internal threshold. The buzzer was making the chassis vibrate at the disks harmonious frequency and the performance dropped 30%.

After that I made every new hire to my team watch this video.

Now I deal almost exclusively with SSDs and this specific failure mode is no longer an issue.

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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Use harddisks as microphones? Nice!

Thats funny you say that... there's a project I came across on the interwebs a few years back (maybe it was on HN?) about a guy who turned old disks into speakers by modulating the read head to generate different frequencies.

Re: Shouting in the Datacenter (2008) [video]

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tl;dr, Vibration due to shouting causes measurable impact on spinning disk performance, increasing io latency. I guess this wouldn't apply to SSD's though?

I can personally attest that there is an extreme version of this effect: do not use hard disk in PA/DJ situations... I crashed several of my early disks due reading MP3 data proximal to a certain pair of 18" push-pull PA subwoofers...

Sounds like the "engineers are retarded" anecdote [1] where on some Apple computers the speaker was located too close to the hard drive, resulting in a crash if you played something too loudly.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5d151lqJsA

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