The Last of the Tiger Parents • Hacker News Board

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by Avshalom » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

cornholio wrote: post #15

Avshalom wrote: post #10

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Rebellion against the status quo has an equally rich academic tradition. "Education" in the abstract doesn't prefer one view over the other. Further education is in no way a guaranteed path to success: I have two BS degrees Physics and Geology with math and CS minors, and yet I am a stock boy at Target. Nothing is a path to anything. We of course hear from the successful children of "tiger moms" but how many stories…

> Rebellion against the status quo has an equally rich academic tradition. "Education" in the abstract doesn't prefer one view over the other. Before you can rebel academically, a decade of conformism is required. So few nonconformists survive that such traits are immediately valuable - but do not mistake that for neutrality, modern education is conformist above all else. > Further education is in no way a guaranteed…

granted I'm white AF but I managed to get through college twice with a "conformism" of swearing at teachers, not doing homework, letting others blatantly copy my work and about once every year telling a teacher "fuck you" since 8th grade when I punched a teacher for insulting me.

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by andrewflnr » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:00 AM UTC

gsam wrote: post #18

glangdale wrote: post #14

From my experience, Tiger Parenting is a very effective way of propelling people through standardized testing and competitive exams/admissions. I think it tends to stop working once there is not a clearly delineated pathway to achievement - for example in independent research. It's absurd to think that no-one who came up with a Tiger Parent philosophy won't be a good researcher or independently creative, but there do…

As a counterpoint, I would like to say that a lot of research still is 'routine intellectual work'. Movers and shakers are rare and far apart. The vast majority of academia are collectively and slowly boiling over problems, rather than taking bold and independent strives.

At a certain level of abstraction, perhaps, but someone who's only good at learning and regurgitating existing knowledge is still not going to do well at even routine research. The "routine" of bulk research is still a higher-order routine than standardized tests.

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by com2kid » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:01 AM UTC

hb3b wrote: post #9

Offtopic but do most HN'ers have NYT subscriptions or use extensions to workaround the paywalls? Anyone else wish they could filter out paywalled links from HN?

I realized how often I was running out of free article reads each month, and paid up. The "# of free articles exceeded" pay wall was making it obvious that I enjoy their content.

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by Avshalom » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:02 AM UTC

learc83 wrote: post #19

Avshalom wrote: post #17

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Sorry "Asians Americans in the largest city in the country".

Percent living below the povery line in 1 city has more to do with the geographical distribution of immigrants from poor countries than it does with anything else. Poor Asian immigrants are just more likely to settle in NYC.

Oh yeah sure because NYC is definitely the cheapest city to immigrate to...

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by balls187 » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:07 AM UTC

sand500 wrote: post #2

This is something I sometimes think about. My parents were pretty strict and emphasized education but were not "tiger parent" strict. I did pretty well in school but not "straight-A valedictorian" well. I'm out of college now with a job at the big 5 but I wonder where I would be had I studied harder in school and gotten into a better college. And would I be "happier"?

What school did you attend?

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by learc83 » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:11 AM UTC

Avshalom wrote: post #24

learc83 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Percent living below the povery line in 1 city has more to do with the geographical distribution of immigrants from poor countries than it does with anything else. Poor Asian immigrants are just more likely to settle in NYC.

Oh yeah sure because NYC is definitely the cheapest city to immigrate to...

Poor immigrants in NYC often share housing with far more people than native born Americans would tolerate. How do you think all those people making below the poverty line afford to live there?

They move there because of the existing immigrant communities already in place.

3/4 of Asian Americans in NYC are immigrants.

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by sowrabh » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:12 AM UTC

hb3b wrote: post #9

Offtopic but do most HN'ers have NYT subscriptions or use extensions to workaround the paywalls? Anyone else wish they could filter out paywalled links from HN?

Opening in incognito would not count towards the limit, if that helps!

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by haskellandchill » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:16 AM UTC

sand500 wrote: post #2

This is something I sometimes think about. My parents were pretty strict and emphasized education but were not "tiger parent" strict. I did pretty well in school but not "straight-A valedictorian" well. I'm out of college now with a job at the big 5 but I wonder where I would be had I studied harder in school and gotten into a better college. And would I be "happier"?

I dream of a big 5 job. Big 10, 20, 100? It seems so safe and nice. But yeah I am happier, that one is up to me :)

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by barefootford » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:16 AM UTC

hb3b wrote: post #9

Offtopic but do most HN'ers have NYT subscriptions or use extensions to workaround the paywalls? Anyone else wish they could filter out paywalled links from HN?

I've got a subscription. When I finally felt on my feet as a programmer I got a subscription to the NY Times and my hometown paper. I think we should support publications that do good work, rather than trying to avoid them/hack around it.

If you're a working programmer/job-in-tech a newspaper subscriptions is almost nothing money wise, but contributes lots back.

Re: The Last of the Tiger Parents

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Post by haskellandchill » Mon, Jun 25, 2018, 3:18 AM UTC

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7

sand500 wrote: post #2

This is something I sometimes think about. My parents were pretty strict and emphasized education but were not "tiger parent" strict. I did pretty well in school but not "straight-A valedictorian" well. I'm out of college now with a job at the big 5 but I wonder where I would be had I studied harder in school and gotten into a better college. And would I be "happier"?

My parents were divorced and, anyways, completely hands off when it came to my sister’s and my education. I got a PhD, worked for research labs, and so on; my sister is a waitress and a bartender. There is some nature to consider, not just nuture, I guess.

That’s a nice story. Thanks for sharing.