A world of free movement would be $78T richer

Post by albertgoeswoof » Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 11:09 PM UTC

ipsocannibal wrote: post #139

trythisthought wrote: post #108

after visiting 52 countries i came to the same conclusion, it is not like we are not implicitly sharing the space and all our physical objects with everyone else by proxy of the same space encapsulating them and their presence on one planet, nobody is taking their own personal lawnmower off the planet just yet... we are so indoctrinated that we fail to see that at the physical level everything is shared and everythin…

I don't know if I follow. Are you saying you've travelled to 52 different countries and found that they all exist on the same planet populated by a species devoid of interplanetary travel and that they have set up a system of artificial geographical barriers to control the distribution resources and movement of individuals of the species?

Post by notduncansmith » Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 11:13 PM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #149

avip wrote: post #148

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Yes. I was a full-time-home-parent, and now I'm just remoting from home. That being said, there are many valuable things I'm not doing - they don't become less valuable by that, only I do. (for example, it would have been valuable to complete my code now instead of writing this reply)

If your children are now fully grown, why are you not raising more? You could always adopt some kids. If you're doing anything with your life right now that isn't full-time child-rearing, then you don't really believe what you said.

Post by Matticus_Rex » Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 11:14 PM UTC

cheez wrote: post #155

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #129

Open borders will, at first, cause downward pressure on wages, as the labor pool of workers able and willing to perform work for a lower price grows. The magnitude would be more pronounced than with what we've been currently able to observe with controlled borders, because the article proposes a scenario where welfare and public assistance would readily apply to newcomers too. In fact, there would be a growth in the…

Correct, the ones getting richer won't be the plebs.

Post by lev99 » Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 11:16 PM UTC

UncleEntity wrote: post #151

ipsocannibal wrote: post #72

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I think all you have to do is look at modern American income disparity in the United States over the last 50 or so years and you have your answer. Sure, the poorest did become moderately better off financially in terms of wages. Yet did there quality of life increase? I would argue that the size of the pie is irrelevant past the point of what is required for basic survival. What truely matters is the relative size of…

> Yet did there quality of life increase? You seriously think poor people's quality of life hasn't increased in the last 50 years? Go drive around "working poor" neighborhoods right after Christmas and see how many huge flat-screen TV boxes are curbside waiting for "big trash day" (small hint: a lot) or see how many people don't have smartphones. I would argue that Wallyworld did more to bring up the standard of livi…

Post by Matticus_Rex » Sat, Jun 23, 2018, 11:17 PM UTC

burfog wrote: post #117

oldcynic wrote: post #20

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Have you tried getting adequate and affordable child care? Fortunately our kids don't need it any more. It hugely restricts available options. Either from hours available, lengthy waiting lists or simply finding that after paying childcare work is no longer making economic sense.

Proper child care means a high level of interaction with well-educated people who speak crisply perfect English. For the child, this is a time when they are developing language and cultural habits that will have a lifelong impact, ultimately impacting the quality of their employment and spouse. Immigrants will not provide that. It's hard enough finding non-immigrants who can provide it.