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A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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I think Canada and Mexico might take issue with this plan.

I'm sure we can work out a deal that'll make everyone happy. It might take some changes in our laws as well, but it can happen.

Yep. Another 9/11 will get everyone on board.

Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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This an interesting article because it reframes current immigration discussions from humanitarian issues to economic ones. I'd like to see more modelling on wage depression to see why this wouldn't have a widespread negative impact. Additionally this seems like a weird point: >Unskilled migrants care for babies or the elderly, thus freeing the native-born to do more lucrative work. If lucrative work were available, w…

What if the article is just propaganda?

I don’t see how letting 3rd world people strip mine the resources I paid for is a help to me? My wife and I have been in a crisis for months because our son’s school has taken in so many esl kids that nothing is being done to teach him—it is like he got 1/2 a 2nd grade this past year! It is so bad that my wife is now a “former liberal”—America’s kids should come first. We pay the damn taxes. We keep the place clean and decent and nobody is just going to come here and stake a claim to it and run us off so they can turn it into the shithole mess they fled from with gangs and child rapists. Fuck that and fuck them.

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Utterly ridiculous rubbish. The reason why Mexican immigrants make more money as mentioned in the article in the US would be erased under open borders. It would be a race to the bottom, globally.

It’s not though. I’m feeling the effects of these policies right now! I’m not up for whites being pushed out so that others are allowed to arrive and bleed us dry. You want to contribute? Fine, no problem, but you can’t come and wreck the place and then move on.

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post #40

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> 2. Adding value Don’t you think that a PhD in their thirties would add more value if they instead focused on their studies subject?

What's more valuable than raising happy kids? Submitting some paper to arxiv?

If you think nothing is more valuable than "raising happy kids", have you committed to that position? Do you have a job, or are you a full-time stay-at-home parent? If not, why?

Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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This article seems symptomatic of a general decline in the quality of The Economist. I used to be a subscriber but there was a noticeable sharp drop some time ago, I think when Micklethwaite stepped down as editor, and things seem to have got worse since. Shoddy thinking, bizarre arguments and extremist conclusions seem more common than they used to be. Firstly, the core thesis of the argument is that merely by movin…

>Firstly, the core thesis of the argument is that merely by moving to a richer country, people become automatically more productive: >> Workers become far more productive when they move from a poor country to a rich one. Suddenly, they can join a labour market with ample capital, efficient firms and a predictable legal system. Those who used to scrape a living from the soil with a wooden hoe start driving tractors. T…

Moving to a high-capital country means the fruits of your labor are multiplied because you can take advantage of that capital to increase your productivity.

In the world of perfectly-informed, perfectly-rational, perfectly-enlightenedly-self-interested frictionless spherical humans, maybe.

Here on Earth, companies move their operations out of high-capital countries on a regular basis.

Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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post #45

This article seems symptomatic of a general decline in the quality of The Economist. I used to be a subscriber but there was a noticeable sharp drop some time ago, I think when Micklethwaite stepped down as editor, and things seem to have got worse since. Shoddy thinking, bizarre arguments and extremist conclusions seem more common than they used to be. Firstly, the core thesis of the argument is that merely by movin…

>Firstly, the core thesis of the argument is that merely by moving to a richer country, people become automatically more productive: >> Workers become far more productive when they move from a poor country to a rich one. Suddenly, they can join a labour market with ample capital, efficient firms and a predictable legal system. Those who used to scrape a living from the soil with a wooden hoe start driving tractors. T…

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Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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post #91

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What's more valuable than raising happy kids? Submitting some paper to arxiv?

If you think nothing is more valuable than "raising happy kids", have you committed to that position? Do you have a job, or are you a full-time stay-at-home parent? If not, why?

Yes. I was a full-time-home-parent, and now I'm just remoting from home. That being said, there are many valuable things I'm not doing - they don't become less valuable by that, only I do. (for example, it would have been valuable to complete my code now instead of writing this reply)

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post #148

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If you think nothing is more valuable than "raising happy kids", have you committed to that position? Do you have a job, or are you a full-time stay-at-home parent? If not, why?

Yes. I was a full-time-home-parent, and now I'm just remoting from home. That being said, there are many valuable things I'm not doing - they don't become less valuable by that, only I do. (for example, it would have been valuable to complete my code now instead of writing this reply)

If your children are now fully grown, why are you not raising more? You could always adopt some kids.

If you're doing anything with your life right now that isn't full-time child-rearing, then you don't really believe what you said.

Re: A world of free movement would be $78T richer

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I was a full-time-home-parent, and now I'm just remoting from home. That being said, there are many valuable things I'm not doing - they don't become less valuable by that, only I do. (for example, it would have been valuable to complete my code now instead of writing this reply)

If your children are now fully grown, why are you not raising more? You could always adopt some kids. If you're doing anything with your life right now that isn't full-time child-rearing, then you don't really believe what you said.

I appreciate the trolling, thanks. That was answered above.
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