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Inside a Heist of American Chip Designs, as China Bids for Tech Power

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Post by selectodude »

allegedganon wrote: post #119
addicted wrote: post #86

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Well the vast majority of these kids would prefer to stay in the US. Clearly the solution to prevent them from taking their knowledge back to their home countries is to denigrate them politically and make it harder and more inconvenient for them to live and work here.

>Well the vast majority of these kids would prefer to stay in the US. I'm afraid you're making assumptions here. America is not where opportunity is these days, especially in the hardware manufacturing sector.

>America is not where opportunity is these days

Yes, but the living standards in the United States are far higher. Sure you may never become a billionaire here like you can in China, but you can breathe the air and the traffic isn't that bad. The schools are better, the houses are bigger. China may get there, but I know where I'd rather be over the next 20-30 years. And they can always move back.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

wishart_washy wrote: post #44

Notes from the ground here. My undergrad was in EE at an "elite" school - I can say definitively that ~50% of the MS/Ph.d. students in EE were from China (with the other 50% largely from India). They TA'd many of the graduate level courses and were the majority of the students taking high level semiconductor design courses that centered on fabrication and nanotechnology. China's short term goal is clearly to reach pa…

Many semiconductor advances were made by Chinese for the last 60-70 years. They just weren’t residents of mainland china.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

exelius wrote: post #96
addicted wrote: post #86

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Well the vast majority of these kids would prefer to stay in the US. Clearly the solution to prevent them from taking their knowledge back to their home countries is to denigrate them politically and make it harder and more inconvenient for them to live and work here.

I would not agree with this. I went to an elite business school and my Chinese classmates all felt there was far more opportunity for them in China with an American education. They’re not stupid, they look at China and see an economy growing at 6-9% a year while the US is stuck at 1-2% and they know where the growth is for the medium-term. They also see a mature American economy that can be tough to crack even for na…

Business school and liberal arts kids will mostly go back to China, STEM is very different.

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Post by atomical »

dang wrote: post #158
worldengineer wrote: post #106

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for political and nationalistic battle. That's not ok here, as the site guidelines make clear: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

Where are the guidelines on usernames?

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Post by intrasight »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #163
exelius wrote: post #96

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I would not agree with this. I went to an elite business school and my Chinese classmates all felt there was far more opportunity for them in China with an American education. They’re not stupid, they look at China and see an economy growing at 6-9% a year while the US is stuck at 1-2% and they know where the growth is for the medium-term. They also see a mature American economy that can be tough to crack even for na…

Business school and liberal arts kids will mostly go back to China, STEM is very different.

My Chinese STEP colleagues have or plan to go back. Too many cultural and political impediments to progress here now.

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Post by ageofwant »

selectodude wrote: post #161
allegedganon wrote: post #119

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>Well the vast majority of these kids would prefer to stay in the US. I'm afraid you're making assumptions here. America is not where opportunity is these days, especially in the hardware manufacturing sector.

>America is not where opportunity is these days Yes, but the living standards in the United States are far higher. Sure you may never become a billionaire here like you can in China, but you can breathe the air and the traffic isn't that bad. The schools are better, the houses are bigger. China may get there, but I know where I'd rather be over the next 20-30 years. And they can always move back.

Not that far, and shrinking fast, depends on who and where you are in China, just like the US. Trump is fixing the air quality issue[1]. China has excellent high speed trains and very innovative and modern shopping malls and housing estates. Google around. Chinese primary and secondary schools are way better than American high schools. Chinese attend international universities to gain experience and network opportunities. They are not here to because here is better.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump...

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Post by icantdrive55 »

intrasight wrote: post #165
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #163

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Business school and liberal arts kids will mostly go back to China, STEM is very different.

My Chinese STEP colleagues have or plan to go back. Too many cultural and political impediments to progress here now.

Could you elaborate?

What are the cultural, and political impediments for Chinese STEM graduates?

I was under the impression that those days were over, unless you happen to be part of my lineage?

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Post by erikpukinskis »

a1369209993 wrote: post #144
tzahola wrote: post #103

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Maybe if Germans had not wasted their engineering efforts on idiotic “superweapons” like the Schwerer Gustav [0] or the 130m long V-3 cannon [1], they could have succeeded with their nuclear program. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon

There's something hilariously ironic about that, given the next couple of decades.

Given what?

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Post by erikpukinskis »

jonhendry18 wrote: post #131
baybal2 wrote: post #41

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>Soviet Russia made great leaps in science and technology Yes, we sent rockets to the moon, but an average Ivan couldn't have proper plumbing in his apartment. Those great leaps were made in things without real life value. P.R. China on other hand, can't be bothered with "prestige project." The only thing that can bother a government official here is money. And money undoubtedly have value in everyday life... unlike…

"Yes, we sent rockets to the moon, but an average Ivan couldn't have proper plumbing in his apartment." Older properties in London sometimes still had outhouses into the 1960s.

Ironically, in retrospect, outhouses are a better technology and plumbing is solving a problem we never had. Removing waste that can be easily recycled is wasteful.

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Post by blindwatchmaker »

tzahola wrote: post #101
tormeh wrote: post #97

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Germany also got rid of a lot of Jews and others that were undesirable for reasons not related to their political views. China is not doing that.

My car has 18” rims with Continental tires. This is about as related to the comment above, as yours. (By the way, the death toll of Mao’s cultural revolution clocks in around 50 million.)

50 million? What the hell, that's multiple cities worth of depopulation. There's no way that could be true
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