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Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by cozzyd »

masteranza wrote: post #41
lern_too_spel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scott Aaronson's response to Lubos Motl's skepticism is informative: "My position is an incredibly simple one: just like with the link between smoking and cancer, or the lack of a link between vaccines and autism, or any other issue where I lack the expertise to evaluate the evidence myself, I’ll go with what certainly looks like an overwhelming consensus among the scientists who’ve studied the matter carefully. Peri…

Except, that most scientists (physicists that I know) who independently checked the issue seem to agree with Lubos.

Physicist here. This is not my field, but I know lots of physicists and I am not aware of a single one who is a climate skeptic. I'm curious what population of physicists has such contrasting opinions. Geophysicists at oil companies perhaps?

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by robocat »

daxorid wrote: post #31
pjc50 wrote: post #24

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Fracking ban.

Fracking and horizontal drilling are the only things that have kept us out of a global energy crisis. Without their application to tight oil and gas fields, the world would be firmly on the downslope of the global Hubbert peak right now. Ban it at your peril.

The global "energy" crisis is only an oil crisis.

I don't see much crisis going on with solar, efficiency improvements, or even coal and gas...

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by senorjazz »

natch wrote: post #45
daxorid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fracking and horizontal drilling are the only things that have kept us out of a global energy crisis. Without their application to tight oil and gas fields, the world would be firmly on the downslope of the global Hubbert peak right now. Ban it at your peril.

If we had invested the Iraq war money into solar infrastructure including batteries in the grid, we would be ahead of the game and peak oil would be moot.

"Take all that money we spent on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and WE CAN EXPLORE SPACE, TOGETHER, BOTH INNER AND OUTER, forever … in peace"

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by tjr225 »

senorjazz wrote: post #53
natch wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we had invested the Iraq war money into solar infrastructure including batteries in the grid, we would be ahead of the game and peak oil would be moot.

"Take all that money we spent on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and WE CAN EXPLORE SPACE, TOGETHER, BOTH INNER AND OUTER, forever … in peace"

Really depressing that this is considered an extremist view.

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by Theodores »

sremani wrote: post #39
daxorid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fracking and horizontal drilling are the only things that have kept us out of a global energy crisis. Without their application to tight oil and gas fields, the world would be firmly on the downslope of the global Hubbert peak right now. Ban it at your peril.

I really feel really bad you are getting down voted. There is lack of understanding of how shale revolution reshaped America and its energy independence here in this forum.

Not really. Nobody is buying American LNG. It is not a competitive product hence the Russia-hate and tariffs on imported solar panels. Plus renewables are cheaper. British shipyards are raking it in making giant wind turbines instead of Titanic sized ships. Because of the shale 'revolution' America has missed the boat, the only bright light being the much-shorted TSLA.

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Post by pretendscholar »

robocat wrote: post #52
daxorid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fracking and horizontal drilling are the only things that have kept us out of a global energy crisis. Without their application to tight oil and gas fields, the world would be firmly on the downslope of the global Hubbert peak right now. Ban it at your peril.

The global "energy" crisis is only an oil crisis. I don't see much crisis going on with solar, efficiency improvements, or even coal and gas...

An oil crisis is an energy crisis. Half the energy used in the US comes from either Petroleum or Natural Gas. Look up how much of it is solar.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by pretendscholar »

phragomax wrote: post #43
sremani wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel really bad you are getting down voted. There is lack of understanding of how shale revolution reshaped America and its energy independence here in this forum.

What has energy independence actually done for America? We are still fighting wars in the Middle East. For decades people were saying we need to end reliance on foreign oil. Well, we've ended it. What has that gotten us besides underpriced gasoline?

Cheap energy inputs make everything else cheaper.

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Alex3917 wrote: post #30

Here is a TED talk my dad just gave about a satellite they're building to track down the source of these methane leaks and fix the issue: https://www.ted.com/talks/fred_krupp_what_if_we_tracked_meth...

Would your Dad be interested in him and his team doing an AMA?

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

pretendscholar wrote: post #56
robocat wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The global "energy" crisis is only an oil crisis. I don't see much crisis going on with solar, efficiency improvements, or even coal and gas...

An oil crisis is an energy crisis. Half the energy used in the US comes from either Petroleum or Natural Gas. Look up how much of it is solar. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/

Exactly. When a large chunk of a low level of the economy gets upset all the higher levels get screwed up.

Re: Methane leaks from US gas fields dwarf government estimates

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Post by craftyguy »

tjr225 wrote: post #54
senorjazz wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Take all that money we spent on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and WE CAN EXPLORE SPACE, TOGETHER, BOTH INNER AND OUTER, forever … in peace"

Really depressing that this is considered an extremist view.

Who said it is?
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