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New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by EdSharkey »

rosser wrote: post #41
vkou wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The selectivity of Wikileaks' leaks put the lie to their claim of being a journalistic entity. It really doesn't, though. You don't have to be unbiased to be a journalist, a journalistic entity, or whatever you want to call it. Fox News, biased as it is, is still news.

Fox News isn't journalism. It's opinion wrapped around selective "reporting". EDIT: Yes, of course it's impossible to eliminate bias. To extrapolate from that to accepting overtly biased and selectively published content as journalism is unsupported, at best. It's the selectivity of reporting that compromises the claim of journalism, not the bias. When you don't report on things that don't support your narrative, you…

American journalism is pathetic. I hope you're just using Fox News as an example and not singling them out as the only exemplar.

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Post by SaintGhurka »

Cacti wrote: post #30
staunch wrote: post #9

> Mr. Schulte had been charged last year in New York with possession of child pornography. The fact that they found child porn on his computer is the scariest part. Almost any technical person could frame almost anyone else with CP possession. It's just a matter of putting some files on a computer and/or faking some logs, browser history, etc. It would be incredibly trivial for the CIA to put CP on his computer and t…

The indictment goes into some detail on this: https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schult... The guy is clearly guilty.

Slow your roll, Judge. I think you're probably right, but don't you want to at least hear what the defense has to say?

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by rosser »

EdSharkey wrote: post #71
rosser wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News isn't journalism. It's opinion wrapped around selective "reporting". EDIT: Yes, of course it's impossible to eliminate bias. To extrapolate from that to accepting overtly biased and selectively published content as journalism is unsupported, at best. It's the selectivity of reporting that compromises the claim of journalism, not the bias. When you don't report on things that don't support your narrative, you…

American journalism is pathetic. I hope you're just using Fox News as an example and not singling them out as the only exemplar.

Of course not.

They're among the worst offenders, they're far from alone in playing that game.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by Cacti »

mikec3010 wrote: post #67
Cacti wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The indictment goes into some detail on this: https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schult... The guy is clearly guilty.

I arrive at the opposite conclusion from reading that. Someone smart enough to work in black hat security should know how fucking illegal CP is, how aggressively its investigated, and know not to flagrantly talk about it on an irc channel and host it to randos online. At the very least they would use tor and figure it out for themselves.

News flash: people who are skilled in one area often are not skilled in others, and people who show good judgement in their professional life do not always show it their personal life.

It should also be noted that he did take precautions, many of them, and the VM was only found after they seized his computer for a separate matter. Without that there is no indication they would have ever found it.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mikec3010 wrote: post #67
Cacti wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The indictment goes into some detail on this: https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schult... The guy is clearly guilty.

I arrive at the opposite conclusion from reading that. Someone smart enough to work in black hat security should know how fucking illegal CP is, how aggressively its investigated, and know not to flagrantly talk about it on an irc channel and host it to randos online. At the very least they would use tor and figure it out for themselves.

You certainly wouldn't want that guy in charge of doing anything covert! Is it trying to say he used his real name in IRC too (or is that interpretation for the file)!?

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Post by politician »

influx wrote: post #6
rando444 wrote: post #4

While I won't justify anything this person allegedly did.. it seems open to speculation whether the child pornography stuff was actually legitimate, or some sort of targeted attack. (whether to destroy his character/career or keep him under judicial watch / within the country)

I read the IRC logs, and I'm skeptical that anyone not deeply versed in the lingo, tone, and character of that scene could fake them. It's not impossible, but it was pretty convincing to me.

Honestly? If we can generate a video of Barack Obama saying that "Killmonger was right" and render existing paintings in the style of other paintings, then we can absolutely generate culturally-sound text.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by mikec3010 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #75
mikec3010 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I arrive at the opposite conclusion from reading that. Someone smart enough to work in black hat security should know how fucking illegal CP is, how aggressively its investigated, and know not to flagrantly talk about it on an irc channel and host it to randos online. At the very least they would use tor and figure it out for themselves.

You certainly wouldn't want that guy in charge of doing anything covert! Is it trying to say he used his real name in IRC too (or is that interpretation for the file)!?

Good point, I missed that.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by Cacti »

cortesoft wrote: post #48
influx wrote: post #6

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I read the IRC logs, and I'm skeptical that anyone not deeply versed in the lingo, tone, and character of that scene could fake them. It's not impossible, but it was pretty convincing to me.

You don't think the CIA would be able to fake the lingo, tone, and character of the scene? I mean, they certainly have access to a ton of real IRC logs about the subject, would probably be pretty easy to swap out some usernames.

The IRC logs are minor pieces of evidence. It’s the VM that is hard to explain away.

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by zeth___ »

Cacti wrote: post #58
LMYahooTFY wrote: post #51

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I read the indictment, but I don't see how you can be certain it was not planted. He apparently saved IRC logs of their entire quest to obtain child porn....? Using his name as a handle? Impossible? No, but do you really think this is not questionable at all?

Did you read the part about the VM he was (allegedly) hiding?

"Yes your honour, we totally found this."

"No your honour, we lost the evidence since then."

Re: New Charges in Huge C.I.A. Breach Known as Vault 7

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Post by Semirhage »

SaintGhurka wrote: post #72
Cacti wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The indictment goes into some detail on this: https://www.scribd.com/document/379346745/Joshua-Adam-Schult... The guy is clearly guilty.

Slow your roll, Judge. I think you're probably right, but don't you want to at least hear what the defense has to say?

Reading all of Cacti’s comments on this topic, I get the sense that the answer to your question is a resounding “No.”
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