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How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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It seems every "how to do Slack right" post emphasizes that you shouldn't use Slack as a chat service. Well that's what it is. Why not use email for the beefier conversations that don't need to take place right away, and use chat for what it was intended?

Chat is great for the occasional situation where you want to have a conversation about something, you'll have a bunch of short messages back and forth, and you want to keep a record of the conversation. Putting other stuff in there just clutters things up. Slack is a great replacement for Reply All with 20 email addresses. It's not so good as a replacement for other things.

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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In two companies where we had piloted Slack, I led successful campaigns to transition away from it. Combining your choice of Email / IM client (Gmail / Hangouts or Outlook / Skype) satisfies 99% of use cases for Slack. Overall we were less stressed and didn't miss a beat. I'm sure there are industries / companies working in areas that it makes sense - but I don't think it just works for everyone by default in the sam…

I refuse to use Skype because of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_b... I also remember a ToS change that allowed MS to listen in for quality control purposes .

Also Skype doesn't really work these days.

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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In two companies where we had piloted Slack, I led successful campaigns to transition away from it. Combining your choice of Email / IM client (Gmail / Hangouts or Outlook / Skype) satisfies 99% of use cases for Slack. Overall we were less stressed and didn't miss a beat. I'm sure there are industries / companies working in areas that it makes sense - but I don't think it just works for everyone by default in the sam…

What was stressing you out about slack? How does Email/IM (isn't slack just IM?) solve your problems without causing the same stress?

My theory is that the extra entropy / noise / cognitive load of booting up yet another tool when you turn on your computer didn't match the gain in utility (productivity, etc.)

For both cases we used Slack, I agree with your assessment in that we used Slack JUST for IM. But if you already have Hangouts / Skype, what's the marginal gain from Slack? As OP points out, initially most people start using it for IM (as this is like muscle memory) but then channels grow, get out of hand, and someone needs to input effort to cut back the entropy.

But given the effort that knowledge workers put into email management, calendars, file management, etc. that's already a lot of cognitive load on controlling information entropy on a _daily_ basis. God forbid you work in Sales or something where you're in CRMs all day, and then you need to manage clients / contacts, or a Project Manager ... shit gets heavy quick. And that's all from doing stuff _about_ work, and not really working.

Another use case that's more microscopic to me: when searching for information in archives, it's easier / less stressful to have fewer places to search for files or conversations than more. Knowing that I only need to search my emails / IM/ files (or hell - if you use Google, it's ONE SEARCH BOX in Gmail for all of them!) is a tough hurdle to get over when you're trying to sell me Slack (unless you leverage their email add-in and send most of your emails / files to Slack, but that's a hard sell for any team.)

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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In two companies where we had piloted Slack, I led successful campaigns to transition away from it. Combining your choice of Email / IM client (Gmail / Hangouts or Outlook / Skype) satisfies 99% of use cases for Slack. Overall we were less stressed and didn't miss a beat. I'm sure there are industries / companies working in areas that it makes sense - but I don't think it just works for everyone by default in the sam…

What replaces slack rooms where any user can jump in and out, or search history ? Not group chats or emails. Only IRC comes close.

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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In two companies where we had piloted Slack, I led successful campaigns to transition away from it. Combining your choice of Email / IM client (Gmail / Hangouts or Outlook / Skype) satisfies 99% of use cases for Slack. Overall we were less stressed and didn't miss a beat. I'm sure there are industries / companies working in areas that it makes sense - but I don't think it just works for everyone by default in the sam…

I hate email and according to the 3000+ messages in my inbox I don't bother to even read them anymore. I prefer slack instead of a hodgepodge of various software.

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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In two companies where we had piloted Slack, I led successful campaigns to transition away from it. Combining your choice of Email / IM client (Gmail / Hangouts or Outlook / Skype) satisfies 99% of use cases for Slack. Overall we were less stressed and didn't miss a beat. I'm sure there are industries / companies working in areas that it makes sense - but I don't think it just works for everyone by default in the sam…

Skype is bad though? Like, I want a near-real time asynchronous messaging system that has all the features a messaging system should have... and you can't get that with Skype/Outlook. The two alone are a pain to use.

Sincere question: How is Skype not a near-real time async messaging system? What features is it missing that 'a messaging system should have'?

Re: How to Use Slack and Not Go Crazy

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It seems every "how to do Slack right" post emphasizes that you shouldn't use Slack as a chat service. Well that's what it is. Why not use email for the beefier conversations that don't need to take place right away, and use chat for what it was intended? Chat is great for the occasional situation where you want to have a conversation about something, you'll have a bunch of short messages back and forth, and you want…

>It seems every "how to do Slack right" post emphasizes that you shouldn't use Slack as a chat service.

Maybe other posts devolve to that but this post is different. The common repeating pattern he's pointing out is others misusing it for low-quality communication and suggesting some settings to get some sanity back.

It's similar to previous advice about old technologies that others misuse where you had to counteract it with tactics to gain productivty. E.g. Phones - turn off ringer and manage voice mail. Email - set automatic category/priority/junk filters.

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