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Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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Re: Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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don't you think there are better uses for "the smartest people on the planet" other than defense work?

Sure. But if they weren’t doing that they wouldn’t be curing cancer, they’d be working on more adtech, etc. The people making a big moral stand here were all perfectly OK with mass surveillance for commercial interests remember.

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Great for the people that protested and stood their ground, hopefully that kind of behavior and mentality towards war becomes more wide-spread. Although it's hard not to be skeptical given... > It's unclear if Google has abandoned air gap technology or is still planning to build it over employees’ objections. The feature is not technically very difficult, so Google could easily find other engineers to do the work. An…

Government cloud isn’t purely for nefarious purposes. I’ve worked in the past on GOV.UK Verify: an identity verification scheme for logging into government services. We wanted all the benefits that cloud providers give you, but we also needed additional assurance levels above and beyond the norm for our users’ protection.

Re: Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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Software engineers in the valley seem disconnected from reality. Maybe they believe politically correct fairies drop from the heavens and secure the US, it's borders and interests. Or maybe the Taliban and ISIS don't deserve drone attacks. Whatever their delusion, it's for the good. Military and defense funding yielded everything from the transistor to the internet. Let the next wave of innovation happen outside the…

US (wholly avoidable) intervention in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. The world is not safer when you go around wacking hornets nests.

Re: Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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So, looks like it's not some bad feature. It's just because it's for the military. It's unacceptable to contribute to the military. And ICE. And police. And any law enforcement at all. What's next? Licenses refusing use of software to political opponents? Firing people because they have wrong political opinions? Oops, that's already been done. Refusing to work on software which is being used by companies that didn't…

Slippery slope fallacy.

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They’re amazingly profitable already That isn't enough. Due to the frankly idiotic way corporate investors think 'any company that isn't growing must be dying'. Google will need to continue to demonstrate growth forever despite that being impossible. Growing in the ad market is hard because they're already the biggest player, so Google are looking at new things to do. This is just one of them.

> That isn't enough. Due to the frankly idiotic way corporate investors think 'any company that isn't growing must be dying'. I despise it when I see large companies make business moves purely to "grow". The big ones are roughly the size of the first world, excuse them for not growing a full 20% like they did last year. Investors are in a bubble of "bigger is better". Who cares if you have a monetization strategy or…

Yes, it seems that the traditional "stocks and shares" approach to funding is only suitable for a particular phase of the development of a business.

Past a certain point it's actually bad for the business, employees and customers. I wonder why businesses don't just seek a more stable funding model once they get there.

Pardon my ignorance but this sounds like just the kind of thing that "Bonds" are for. Long term, slow steady growth. It also sounds like specifically the kind of investment opportunity Warren Buffet seeks out, so there must be some logic to it.

Re: Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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Can anyone explain what's their "air gap" technology, please?

"Air gapping" just means not connected to the internet, directly or indirectly.

Usually goes along with the air gapped system running in a small intranet you strictly control access to.

Its not a bleeding edge technology as the article says (maybe the author made a joke?) but a standard security measure to protect highly sensitive or critical systems.

Re: Google Engineers Refused to Build Security Tool to Win Military Contracts

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The many stories that have been appearing recently on Google's deep cultural changes point to a very basic fact of life: organizations, and even more so, their culture, aren't forever.

As a matter of fact, organization cultural changes can happen very quickly, at the whim of leadership changes.

The trust their users/customers extend these organizations (way too much in the cast of Google) rarely takes this basic fact of life into account.

In the case of Google, the two strong voices of Larry and Sergey held fast the ethical compass of the company for quite a long time and that allowed Google to accumulate massive amounts of goodwill in the market: the average Google user still believes the company is "good" and "can be trusted" and are therefore willing to freely give them massive chunks of their personal data.

Unfortunately, as is wont to happen, the two founders are now sitting on a mountain of money, have pretty much lost all interest in their baby (who wouldn't to be honest) and have for all intent and purposes surrendered the reins to a team of far less ethical-minded, far less principle-guided, far less charismatic, far more greedy set of leaders (Pichai, Green, Wojcicki, ...)

Specifically, when Google hired Diane Green (who's behind the push to work with the military), they totally let the fox in the henhouse.

That SVP has precious little regard for Google's historical cultural tenets (she does pay lip service to them when required, of course, she's smart enough to do that) and is busy doing within Google what she's done previously at VMWare: building a money-making juggernaut (Cloud) using all the tools at her disposal, with precious little regard for the company culture.

She will take on any customers, independent of the ethical aspects of that decision, as long as she's operating within the law.

Consideration such as good or evil (something which, for those who drank the Kool-aid when Google was still young and naive, mattered a whole lot) has exactly zero bearing on her business decisions.

In conclusion: the laws of gravity are what they are, and Google is subject to them like every other corporations. Even if it took longer than for most, they are slowly becoming a standard run-of-the-mill, large, short-sighted, evil corporation with the sole purpose of turning in quarterly profits and making their execs into billionaires.

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Software engineers in the valley seem disconnected from reality. Maybe they believe politically correct fairies drop from the heavens and secure the US, it's borders and interests. Or maybe the Taliban and ISIS don't deserve drone attacks. Whatever their delusion, it's for the good. Military and defense funding yielded everything from the transistor to the internet. Let the next wave of innovation happen outside the…

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