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> Where do you draw the line on ethical usage? One can put me in a box. The other one can’t.
Say the government doesn't have it. They can just ask/force/coerce/pressure the tech company that does for your data. Or steal it from them.
Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
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Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#12I love the sentiment, but seriously... who did you think you were building this for? It's absurd to believe you were helping anything other than the big brother character from 1984. Who else would this help? Foreign secret services? Maybe you believed it would help stream line the automation process? Thereby making humans irrelevant? I'd love to hear a legitimate - non-big brother implementation of this. And please d…
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Where do you draw the line on ethical usage? One can put me in a box. The other one can’t.
Anything goes, so long as they don't put you in a box? That's very permissive of you.
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Where do you draw the line on ethical usage? One can put me in a box. The other one can’t.
Say the government doesn't have it. They can just ask/force/coerce/pressure the tech company that does for your data. Or steal it from them.
That's not to say that that's a perfect situation, but (if your threat model is the government) a government which has to take data from unwilling companies is weaker than one that need not do so, because they have the capability to collect the data themselves.
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#16Previously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17341742
Is it? That looks like shareholders. Unless these employees are the same shareholders?
Long story short, basically what a previous poster said. People spent so much time trying to find out if they could, no one seemed to stop and think about whether they should.
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#17I love the sentiment, but seriously... who did you think you were building this for? It's absurd to believe you were helping anything other than the big brother character from 1984. Who else would this help? Foreign secret services? Maybe you believed it would help stream line the automation process? Thereby making humans irrelevant? I'd love to hear a legitimate - non-big brother implementation of this. And please d…
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#18If you don't like what Amazon is building, just wait until all those contracts start going to Raytheon and Northrop! I appreciate the moral quandary these engineers are faced with, but there is something to be said for being a responsible steward of technology. I've met quite a few MIT Ph.D.s who nonchalantly mention their roles as, what sounds like to me like "Program manager for raining fire and destruction on thir…
I get nervous as hell thinking about AI and ML in the hands of governments, but it's gonna happen anyway. I'd rather it be Google than Northrop.
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#19I love the sentiment, but seriously... who did you think you were building this for? It's absurd to believe you were helping anything other than the big brother character from 1984. Who else would this help? Foreign secret services? Maybe you believed it would help stream line the automation process? Thereby making humans irrelevant? I'd love to hear a legitimate - non-big brother implementation of this. And please d…
Streamlining the criminal / judicial process would be a plus for me. Use webcam feeds to record filesharer, illegal activites passively. Capture known criminals anywhere because you have a real time facial recognition. Cross reference the evidence, and avoid long drawn out court time.
Re: Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech to law enforcement
#20If you don't like what Amazon is building, just wait until all those contracts start going to Raytheon and Northrop! I appreciate the moral quandary these engineers are faced with, but there is something to be said for being a responsible steward of technology. I've met quite a few MIT Ph.D.s who nonchalantly mention their roles as, what sounds like to me like "Program manager for raining fire and destruction on thir…
Ethical use doesn't matter once the government has their hands on it - government doesn't have ethics, it has politics.