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What happens when it's all glass?

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Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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It's interesting insight, but look at it like this... Apple's dominance isn't from hardware alone. But they are exceptionally talented at it. It isn't in software alone, but again, they know what they're doing. They've got a lot of mature, battle tested code and an outstanding developer community who knows how to wield it. It's not in digital distribution alone, but yet again, they got there very early, have a lot of…

Hard to read with one or two sentences separated as paragraphs.

Hmm, thanks. Just tried it with a wider window, I see what you mean.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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Android is solid, WebOS is solid, and Blackberry’s new OS/UI looks great too. Nothing I’ve played with is better than Apple’s iOS, but a lot of the alternatives are approaching “plenty damn good” status. That's Apple's edge. No one in their right mind can call the technology that RIM, Palm, or Google come out with as anything but outstanding...yet Apple still has that edge and their products are always "great" while…

The beauty in Android is that it doesn't have to be the best ... it just has to be good enough + shipped on cheaper phones ... just like Windows did. Also, I've got an iPhone 3GS, and I see lots of area for improvement ... the biggest annoyance for me being that all these apps I have (Facebook, Twitter, Skype, yahoo messenger) ... are not using the iPhone's contacts list for storing people profiles ... so even Apple…

"The beauty in Android is that it doesn't have to be the best ... it just has to be good enough + shipped on cheaper phones ... just like Windows did."

The "cheaper phones" bit has never been Android's advantage, though it always gets brought up as if Android is the poor man's iPhones.

It isn't.

The Droid isn't less expensive than the iPhone was. Neither was even the miserable G1. The Galaxy S isn't a cheap phone. The Evo 4G isn't a cheap phone.

My Nexus One cost me $550. How much did your iPhone cost you?

Kids with part-time McJobs have iPhones that they paid for with their own income.

Android's advantage is that there are a lot of vendors aligning and running in the same direction, and the innovation is reaching an extraordinary pace: Android has gone from a bit of a joke that some of us held onto purely for philosophical reasons a mere 12 months ago, to now undoubtedly being the #1 hardware platform, and is becoming a strong contender for the #1 software platform.

No, it really is. The improvements to the quality of software across the board is incredible.

Which, I suppose, is exactly how Windows succeeded: Microsoft set up a system where a lot of very capable, very energetic companies were motivated to help Microsoft succeed, and it worked dramatically, from storage system vendors to graphics card companies.

Compare that to Apple whose only real partners are media outlets who think it'll save old media (though that provides tremendous free advertising), along with lots of 1-man software shops who, at least for a time, were singing the Apple song on sites like HN.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's marketing team alone (with Phil Schiller) has been a successful revolution.

I recently purchased my first Mac in 15 years of programming. While browsing around the reseller I was struck by just how sexy everything looked. I always try to hide PC's under desks in my home, I'm happy to have the Mac on display.

I guess this is why I like competition, because apparently I and the rest of the world differ when it comes to concepts of looks in electronics. By my view, the ThinkPad T410 I just bought looks very beautiful. Straight lines, matte finish, right angles; all of these are very pretty to me. By comparison, the glossy sheen and curves of most Apple products look like a child's toys.

Frankly, I think Apple started their brand by being unique and out of the ordinary ("novel"), have improved it a bit with usability, but what happens if or when the sheen starts to wear?

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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A few points:

- Apple is pushing the boundaries of minimalism with their industrial design (to absurd levels in cases like the control-free iPod Shuffle). This is not necessarily better design, but it is the currently fashionable design. I would argue that the single button interface on the iPhone/iPad is an example of moving too far towards minimalism (from a purely functional perspective). The same button now performs different functions depending on how many times you press it and where you are when you press it, yet there is plenty of room for a second button.

- In my opinion, Apple's software is a mixed bag. I love the user experience in iOS, and OSX is my favorite desktop operating system, but I think iTunes is among the worst commonly used desktop applications available.

- All of these devices will be judged on categories beyond hardware/software in the future. For example, I expect a phone's ability to connect with important services to become increasingly scrutinized. It seems like it will only be a matter of time before we're all using something like Google Voice to manage our phone numbers. A device's ability to interface with these types of critical services could very easily become the killer app.

- A small point, but I think the comparison between a MacBook Pro an a Lenovo is a bit odd. ThinkPads are not far off from Apple in terms of build quality and are certainly more durable.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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I just saw a Microsoft recruiting video last night that perfectly illustrated this point. (In true MSFT fashion, it's not available online.) It was pretty awesome - splitting apart a "phone" into two panes to do a video call with one screen in front of you, and one up to the ear to better hear/speak; moving a document from a wall to a table to a phone; etc. etc.

I've had a dream that someday the White Sox would build a stadium where Meigs Field once stood with the wall behind the bleachers being entirely made of transparent glass. You could have a view of the most beautiful skyline in the world during action, but it'd turn into the most amazing widescreen scoreboard/video screen for replays and stats during breaks in the action.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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Everything is turning into a screen, from edge to edge. Once it’s all about glass, it’s all about software. This is assuming that once it's all about glass there isn't anywhere to go. Apple has become a leader in UI design and glass happens to be the current popular choice for devices. 10 years before the iPhone few people would have predicted a phone with no buttons and a glass screen would become popular, and a few…

I'm also skeptical that hardware is going to level off in this market. No matter how sharp the screens are, something that can fit in your pocket will always have too small of a screen. I imagine the next big jump will be some method (glasses, projection, whatever) which will enable apparent screen sizes larger the device. And I think Apple could again be a leader.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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I think this post makes some very bold assumptions. It assumes that there is no place for innovation in industrial design with glass. Apple's dominance in industrial design has given them the advantage to set the standards for industrial design. Additionally, I think Jason assumes that industrial design and software design are mutually exclusive. He ignores that part of the beauty of Apple's products is the interacti…

"Additionally, I think Jason assumes that industrial design and software design are mutually exclusive. He ignores that part of the beauty of Apple's products is the interaction and combination of software AND hardware and the quality of interaction between them." I'm not ignoring any of these things. I'm simply suggesting that one of Apple's key first impression advantages - their unique hardware design - is a bit l…

Understood; however, I would argue that consumers (ignoring early adopters) don't look at the parts individually.

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."

IMO Apple won't cease to be the leader in hardware design. Even as things trend toward being all glass, they will still find innovative ways to create beautiful products that bring together all of their competitive advantages. Example: iPhone 4

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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If this article is any indication, Apple needs to seriously needs to improve it's software. I love my Mac, I love the environment, but there are so many lost and forgotten pieces to their software that it's highly frustrating.

Take iChat, for example. So limited, even the supposed features it has do not work (Bonjour for iChat fails to work to let me and my wife chat via her MBP and my iMac). Indeed, the entire Bonjour system and file sharing is so annoying and cumbersome. Finder can see the other computer, but it can't actually go there, even when they are sitting next to each other.

Then you have iTunes. iTunes loves to create duplicate music files. The best part is, when I tell iTunes "Yes, control the management of my music" I suddenly end up with three copies of every song. Then there is the disappearing devices. Why, my iPhone/iPad/AppleTV where there a minute ago. My iPad/iPhone are still plugged in. Why can't I access them anymore?

Then their is iPhoto. Which controls movies. And photos. Sort of. Movies!? In iPhoto? iMovie uses iPhoto to import movies? And then outputting movies is so confusing. So many different options, and then you can't just have iTunes pick it up, you have to load up iTunes, tell it to import the movie, and going through numerous other steps to get it onto your Apple TV.

But back to iPhoto. You ever create a slide show with iPhoto? I did. iPhoto is the only application I know that showed me a preview of the movie it was going to create, and then the output changed the complete order of the pictures. How does this happen?

Let's not forget the harassment iPhoto inflicts on users by default whenever you plug anything in. It snatches focus away, loads up, just to import. Oh, sure, you can set your iPhone to import quietly, but even having done it, I forget where the setting is buried.

And then there is the default way you install software. Now, I know, it's simple enough, right? No, it's annoying. I have to drag an icon into a folder? And then I have to dig through that folder and find a generic icon just to find the application, and then launch it. Why not just let me click a button to install, and then be like "Hey, you just installed this app, which means, you probably want to run it, well, do you?"

And that's just the beginning. Let's not forget Time Machine randomly barfing because your Time Machine drive suddenly lost power, or not importing pictures as events by default properly, or just countless other problems.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Mac user. My house hold is filled with Apple products (1 iMac, 1MBP, original AppleTV, iPhones, iPods, iPad). But if Apple wants to compete on the software end, they need to up their game and really focus on finishing their half-complete products.

Edit: To be fair, I think Apple can do it. They don't have to do everything, but what they do, they have to do well. And that means not abandoning projects simply because they lose interest.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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Yeah, where are the stickers that advertise the processor? Or an AT&T logo you can't remove. By god, Apple is at a disadvantage aren't they? Do 37signals really think people can't tell Apple products are good when they're made of glass and aluminum? Apple products just feel more solid and reliable because of those things.

But maybe people prefer the silver paint rubbing off under their palms because their laptop is really made of cheap black plastic.

Re: What happens when it's all glass?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The beauty in Android is that it doesn't have to be the best ... it just has to be good enough + shipped on cheaper phones ... just like Windows did. Also, I've got an iPhone 3GS, and I see lots of area for improvement ... the biggest annoyance for me being that all these apps I have (Facebook, Twitter, Skype, yahoo messenger) ... are not using the iPhone's contacts list for storing people profiles ... so even Apple…

"The beauty in Android is that it doesn't have to be the best ... it just has to be good enough + shipped on cheaper phones ... just like Windows did." The "cheaper phones" bit has never been Android's advantage, though it always gets brought up as if Android is the poor man's iPhones. It isn't. The Droid isn't less expensive than the iPhone was. Neither was even the miserable G1. The Galaxy S isn't a cheap phone. Th…

> The Droid isn't less expensive than the iPhone was. Neither was even the miserable G1. The Galaxy S isn't a cheap phone.

Nonsense.

> My Nexus One cost me $550. How much did your iPhone cost you?

The iPhone is $599 or $699, depending on model.

In the UK it is £499 to £599, equates to $780 or $950.

In the UK the Nexus One was just under $550, though VAT could take another bite out of the wallet.

Right now in Europe the Galaxy S is €500 ($615), less than either iPhone.

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