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Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Having an elite soccer team requires talented players, one of the most important talents is elite running speed. To have elite running speed you need to have a higher torso/leg ratio, basically long legs and a high center of gravity. There are regional differences around the world with torso/leg ratios. China is on the lower end, much of Africa is on the high end.

ugh. explain Mexico then. Not a quality post here.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Seems pretty weak and unsupported. It can be summed up as "China doesn't excel at soccer because of authoritarianism and because the sport is not well understood by anyone and central planning doesn't help". Ok, if you say so. Where's the evidence?

> China doesn't excel at soccer because of authoritarianism and because the sport is not well understood by anyone and central planning doesn't help It's hard not to be mean to someone who calls it soccer :-), but this betrays an obvious lack of familiarity with the history of this sport. USSR, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia all had very strong national teams, pretty much until they were dissolved. Clubs from the comm…

> It's hard not to be mean to someone who calls it soccer

> ... Champions Cup ...

People in glass houses, my friend :D

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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There is a better explanation. Being talented individual is not enough. They have to play against other equally talented individuals in the highest level professional leagues from the age of 18 to develop tactically and technically. China needs a professional soccer league with top level foreigners or they need to send their best to European leagues. They can do it but it can take several generations. Soccer is the m…

Iceland's success is probably not reproducible in a larger nation. Due to their numerous indoor fields, which draw on the plentiful/cheap electricity from geothermal power to keep the lights heated and grass growing, and their plethora of coaches (I heard 500 per capita) for their 300k population, it's really not feasible in China.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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post #45

Having an elite soccer team requires talented players, one of the most important talents is elite running speed. To have elite running speed you need to have a higher torso/leg ratio, basically long legs and a high center of gravity. There are regional differences around the world with torso/leg ratios. China is on the lower end, much of Africa is on the high end.

ugh. explain Mexico then. Not a quality post here.

Yeah, this is not a good explanation at all, bordering on racist honestly. No data cited for claims, and plenty of counterexamples to disprove the point easily.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Dynamic coordination among a group of people. Top down approach does not work best under this. It's not reactive enough. There are just so many to talk about regarding this. But I think that's one of the very core dimensions of this game. And there are so many other national teams do not reach their potentials. China is a nice key word for clickbait. And it worked well.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Seems pretty weak and unsupported. It can be summed up as "China doesn't excel at soccer because of authoritarianism and because the sport is not well understood by anyone and central planning doesn't help". Ok, if you say so. Where's the evidence?

Totally agree. Just to pick a specific example and add on a bit: Germany reorganized their nationwide soccer development system in the mid-2000s to be much more centralized, and that's widely considered to be one of the reasons they have risen in prominence recently (they are the current reigning World Cup champions, for instance).

> one of the reasons they have risen in prominence recently

Hmmmm....

From TFA: "West Germany ... won the World Cup in 1954, 1974 and 1990, and reached the final in 1966, 1982 and 1986."

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Why United States doesn't dominate soccer?

Limited interest: most of the country views it as a child's sport, to be outgrown. There's not many places for a kid to just kick around the ball with friends, because it's hard to get to a field, you might have to reserve it, how do you get your friends there, etc. It's not an organic sport like football (in the US).

Pay to play: for youth development, the player's family has to be fairly well off. This is pay for either an academy, or going to a D1 college team, paying for travel, etc etc

Limited coaching talent: not very many soccer coaches play or even watch soccer regularly. This leads to an emphasis on agility and strength rather than skills and strategy. Agility and strength work out pretty well if the team you're facing has the same focus, but if you're playing against a team that has drilled and nurtured intelligence it will end badly for you.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Having an elite soccer team requires talented players, one of the most important talents is elite running speed. To have elite running speed you need to have a higher torso/leg ratio, basically long legs and a high center of gravity. There are regional differences around the world with torso/leg ratios. China is on the lower end, much of Africa is on the high end.

Where is your data? Where is your evidence for this borderline racist claim? Africa doesn't have strong teams, clearly your explanation falls apart with the slightest analysis.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Wrong tittle, should be: why China doesn’t dominate soccer yet.

They are investing heavily, buying loads of European youth football trainers, scouting their own youth at great rate and building their league up pretty fast.

You heard it here first: they will host the World Cup football in 2030 or 34 and will be contesting for the highest rank.

Re: Why China doesn’t dominate soccer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's similar to the US. I think a lot of it just comes down to the number of kids that grow up playing a sport i.e. the talent pool. In the US lots of kids try playing soccer but most focus more on baseball / basketball / football / hockey. Whereas in countries where soccer is the main sport the talent pool is larger and you have tons of talented kids who've been playing for two decades

Yet, the US dominates in women’s soccer. Maybe there are fewer options for them to play other sports (football specifically)?

Another reason might be that in Europe soccer is considered a rather masculine sport. Very few girls even consider playing it. Girls usually play volleyball, handball, etc. but a girl that kicks the ball with a foot would be strangely looked at here.

In the US, I hear, soccer is reasonably popular as a female sport, so the talenf pool is larger.

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