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States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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Stripe already recommends Avalara and a couple others: https://stripe.com/docs/orders/tax-integration

That seems to only address calculating the tax however. Presumably the business is still expected to remit the tax collected to each tax jurisdiction as required plus whatever necessary paperwork.

Most of these services handle the filings and paperwork for you as well.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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post #55
post #39

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Agreed. I envision "tax compliance as a service" being offered by processors or third parties. My only question is then whether individual municipalities in states that allow them to have their own sales tax will also now be able to force compliance. If that's the case, what a nightmare for online retailers.

That's how large retailers do it already. I worked at a company that created software for calculating sales and use tax for large retailers. It was an incredible headache and I doubt any retailer would do it themselves since they can also point to the vendor as the liable party when a mistake is made, and those mistakes will be made. We even had areas where we could not find the correct tax because the government in…

And... I've conflicting info from different states as to when the sales tax should be calculated. I'm dealing with a project right now that is both "pay now" and "delivery and services paid for later". At least one state said they'd prefer us to calculate the tax both at 'time of sale' and after money is collected after the service is provided/delivered, and because the rate may have changed (between months, for example) and they want the higher amount.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

#83
post #69

I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

The South Dakota tax only applies if you sell more than $100k or send more than 200 shipments, which factored into the decision: Respondents argue that “the physical presence rule has permitted start-ups and small businesses to use the Inter­net as a means to grow their companies and access a national market, without exposing them to the daunting complexity and business-development obstacles of nation­wide sales tax…

That's still difficult to comply with. Imagine 50 different laws like that, each with their own tiers, and consider the difficulty accounting for them all and staying in compliance. That's not even getting into municipal taxes.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

There's a bunch of services that you can send your transactions to and they'll return sales tax data via API, your accounting software should have integration for them already. Worst case you can do them on a simple web form online (enter the address, types of goods, etc)

Those same services can also automate your tax filings with each state. It's not free, though.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

#85
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It’s good for big business and bad for small businesses because compliance will be tough, and harder to compete and price.

And this is why everyone should be supporting a federal VAT instead. If I'm not mistaken, Amazon had a similar argument a few years ago.

I'd be all for a federal VAT over federal income tax. But that wouldn't remove any of the state or local sales taxes.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

#86
It's already non-easy to figure out what customers want, make it, make sure they know you have it, and get them to buy it.

On top of that, lately it seems more challenging not to be an oligopoly if you have customers in Europe and/or the US.

I suppose this represents an opportunity for startups to help other startups to manage compliance and payment.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

#87

This is great news for Amazon. They already collect sales tax on everything they sell in most states (47 I think?). Now that smaller sellers (marketplace sellers, eBay, etc.) also have to collect tax, that hurts the ~8% discount built in, so why even shop around?

Most of Amazons sales are through third parties, most of them dont collect.

It is about 50/50.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

#88
post #69

I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

The South Dakota tax only applies if you sell more than $100k or send more than 200 shipments, which factored into the decision: Respondents argue that “the physical presence rule has permitted start-ups and small businesses to use the Inter­net as a means to grow their companies and access a national market, without exposing them to the daunting complexity and business-development obstacles of nation­wide sales tax…

That sounds harder and more expensive for the business than simply having a standard system to collect and pay the sales tax.

Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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I have a hunch that this will, in the end, be a massive win for large retailers vs. small ones. The task of figuring out how to calculate tax for all states is more or less the same amount of work regardless of size, which means for someone like Amazon it's more or less trivial, but for a mom-and-pop store it's a major hassle.

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Re: States Can Require Internet Tax Collection, Supreme Court Rules

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We’ve been looking at tech solutions for calculation / remittance. So far only found Avalara. I’d be surprised if PayPal, Stripe, and others won’t step into this now that it’ll be fairly profitable.

have been using taxjar.com with... ok results so far - they seem to only provide a sandbox/playground for 'pro' accounts ("call for pricing" - ugh).

Yeah I've never used a service that made me call or email and never will
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