Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

Post by gwern » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 6:20 PM UTC

gwern wrote: post #39

ucaetano wrote: post #34

We need to figure out if he was acting alone or with others at Tesla and if he was working with any outside organizations. As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of T…

I guess we'll see how serious they are about these accusations if they sue the employee or file criminal charges; if the industrial espionage & sabotage accusations are true, it should be easy to make them stick - and having told the whole company about them, Musk now needs to take action or else forfeit credibility & deterrence (both for not being a liar, and for punishing theft/sabotage).

Post by falsedan » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #556

falsedan wrote: post #403

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Basically, SOX would apply if the numbers Tesla announce in quarterly reports were derived from metrics taken from production-line systems. The wrongdoing is the same in every cause of SOX non-compliance: misleading investors to manipulate stock price. So Sarbanes-Oxley came about because Enron were stating investor-facing metrics that didn't match reality. SOX compliance comes about if you: * are publicly-listed * a…

I can confidently tell you that some of the largest companies in the world don't do this... Or at least don't do it to the level that an auditor could confidently say "nobody nefariously edited this code/data".

Post by abc_lisper » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 11:34 PM UTC

Fins wrote: post #614

abc_lisper wrote: post #612

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> Even as smartphones Apple products aren't unicorn magic There is no electronics product in history that sold more than the iPhone. I don't know what meets your high standards.

By that logic, McDonald's burgers are so magic, Jobs would have dropped his reality distortion field and ran home crying. And Osteria Franciscana must be selling complete crap because they will never achieve sales not only of McD but even of White Castle!

Post by manicdee » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:26 AM UTC

neotek wrote: post #578

mmjaa wrote: post #369

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If life were only about making claims one can fulfil, it'd be entirely boring and hardly worth any effort at all. This predilection towards 'maximum correctness, always' seems to me to be a thinly veiled attempt at justifying totalitarianism. You don't get to the moon by doing everything you can not to break things - you get to the moon by not minding if things break, if it means you can improve conditions in life. W…

...what on earth are you talking about? How is any of that relevant to any of the points I've made? Did I at any point state or even imply anything even remotely approaching "maximum correctness, always"? Did I advocate for "mundane, boring, safe things"? Are you going to address the actual points I made regarding Tesla's misleading marketing and the literal, actual deaths that have resulted from it? Why is it so dif…

Post by abc_lisper » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:27 AM UTC

Fins wrote: post #618

abc_lisper wrote: post #615

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> By that logic, McDonald's burgers are so magic, Not really, burgers are not electronic products.

But they are selling very well! If you want something computer-related, Windows is clearly the greatest, bestest OS of all times. Electronics? Bose must sound really well. Etc., etc.