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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Not only is it still a thing, Google itself is a major culprit of it. Seems like every new experiment they release is “best viewed” in — or worse, “requires” — Google Chrome.

Not just experiments. Neither Google Hangouts nor Meet worked in Firefox until the 22nd of May this year.

Meet works now? I knew about hangouts, but Meet was still not working last I checked. That would be fantastic if that was the case.

EDIT: So it does! The last reason I was keeping Chrome as my default (so Meet calendar invite links would work) is gone.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

There are many job postings, payment forms(!?) and financial websites that only work properly in Firefox. The best part is, for job postings, it's a great "not going to work there" filter.

Don't be too quick to dismiss a workplace because of something like that. Teams that are hiring often have very little control over the initial process (e.g.: the site where jobs are posted), but may be doing amazing things and be great to work with.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Most of the comments here are about using or not using Firefox, depending on it's features as compared to primarily Chrome. However, for me, it is not about being better or having more features at all - it is because I like Firefox and want to support Mozilla and believe that Google should not control the web. It is somewhat similar to the free software vs. open source debate - one should use free software not becaus…

A lot of people forget that the only browser used by most everyone was IE and that was stagnant and smelly as they come. Firefox nudged the web forward when it was introduced, and made quite a splash on its own by capturing about a fourth to a third of usage from IE, but a small company can't fend itself from Microsoft. It took Google and Chrome, later, to knock IE and Microsoft into its place with its big push forwa…

The power of a company like Google can be great when harnessed appropriately. When Chrome was the new kid on the block, they had every incentive to be compatible, faster, better, more flexible, etc. Now that they are the leader, their incentives are very different. I'm very concerned about the rapid move away from straightforward text-based protocols to opaque binary protocols. Yes the performance is better, but the protocol itself is far less flexible, harder to troubleshoot, and harder to build on. The whole reason HTTP took off was because it was simple, human-readable, and easy to implement, and built on TCP which was well understood and simple. It was a liberating change from the rigid, corporate, non-standard binary protocols coming from the Microsofts and IBMs and Oracles of the world. There are plenty of ways HTTP/1.1 could have been improved for better performance without sacrificing its fundamental openness. But HTTP/2 and QUIC are taking us back into the realm of non-standard and more rigid and opaque binary protocols. Performance on poorly designed sites that load tens of megabytes of crap from hundreds of URLs on each page load is the hook Google is using to push us back into what I consider a dark age of network communication. But it doesn't have to be this way.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Do people write compiled programs any more? (en-mass) Especially large ones? I remember compiling a 2.4 kernel on a 486 once, only kernel to suppose the PCMCIA network card. It didn't go quickly. If you really want to compile the program, vou can always do the compilation on a server.

Of course they do. Where do you think you get your kernels, drivers, firmware for various IoT from etc.? Compiling a small (~100 MB), custom OS purely (as much as it's possible) from source code can still take hours even on modern laptop.

Well yes, of course, however as a percentage of people writing code, how many write in a traditional compile-once run-many language which are large enough projects they take a significant amount of time to compile.

When dkms recompiles one custome module I use on an 8 year old laptop it takes a few seconds. Even when you're working on projects that take a long time (say on ffmpeg), you're not typically recompiling the entire thing each time. On the other hand doing a full build for all architectures takes hours on a desktop, so is far more sensible to ship off to a build service running elsewhere on the network.

Large scale compiling on a desktop machine feels like a fairly niche problem compared with the vast majority of "code" written today.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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post #484

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Not only is it still a thing, Google itself is a major culprit of it. Seems like every new experiment they release is “best viewed” in — or worse, “requires” — Google Chrome.

Not just experiments. Neither Google Hangouts nor Meet worked in Firefox until the 22nd of May this year.

I've found that "work" in this case is still even a stretch. With it being the only application that I have open, with one tab on Firefox, these sites (but especially Inbox) cause my zBook to sound like it's mining Bitcoin or running SETI analysis.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Most of the comments here are about using or not using Firefox, depending on it's features as compared to primarily Chrome. However, for me, it is not about being better or having more features at all - it is because I like Firefox and want to support Mozilla and believe that Google should not control the web. It is somewhat similar to the free software vs. open source debate - one should use free software not becaus…

The open source statement isn’t accurate because Chromium is open source. But I do agree that one company shouldn’t control the internet or browsing experience end to end. Although as far as pushing web standards and browsing Google has mostly been a good citizen. Let’s just pretend AMP wasn’t a thing.

Go get some Chromium Stable installation for Windows. Choose wisely, though [0].

[0]https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-sn...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

Google themselves launched or re-launched five Chrome-only sites last year (Hangouts, Meet, Adwords, Earth, and Allo). Six if you count the Google Advanced Protection Program. Google Flights began blocking Firefox for Android last week, and Google still serves a degraded Search experience to Firefox users on Android (but hey, no AMP). Despite well-meaning concern from the Chrome team, it's abundantly clear that Googl…

Which I find especially hilarious because there was a period from 2014-2017 when hangouts worked better for me and my colleagues in other browsers
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