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LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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FreeOffice wasn't an option? Open Source Office? Anything-other-than-LibreOffice? OpenOffice is something that I can explain to my mother when I install it for her instead of MS Office, Mom, it's just like Office but it is open source. In fact she didn't notice for a long time. Libre Office? She'll question that for sure, and then what am I going to do, explain the GNU manifesto to her? Come on. I like the use of the…

Isn't it easier to explain the concept of libre meaning free[dom] than it is to explain the concept of open source, which may be harder to grasp? If you need to explain, libre is similar to liberty.. and it's a word in several languages. I fail to see how it's a marketing failure.

> I fail to see how it's a marketing failure.

Because it's awkward to pronounce and then you have try to explain it. Ideally a name would be easy to read and pronounce, and self-describing, and LibreOffice fails on both counts.

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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FreeOffice wasn't an option? Open Source Office? Anything-other-than-LibreOffice? OpenOffice is something that I can explain to my mother when I install it for her instead of MS Office, Mom, it's just like Office but it is open source. In fact she didn't notice for a long time. Libre Office? She'll question that for sure, and then what am I going to do, explain the GNU manifesto to her? Come on. I like the use of the…

Its just a name, will she really makes a fuss out of it?

of course not, it's just something to whine about on the internet forums, that's all.

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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That is probably true in Europe, but it definitely fails in the US. What I don't see is why the name has to be so damn literal. Firefox was never named "Libre Interent Browser" Google was never "Better Search Engine That Doesn't Totally Suck" OpenOffice at least wasn't that clunky and got the point across. This is a name by hackers for hackers. Why is that a good idea for a project with the mainstream reach of Firefo…

Yes, and who wants to use a game console that sounds like a man's genitals or a tablet computer that sounds like a menstruation guard. Names do not matter when you already have a product people want and need.

I assume you mean the (Sony) PlayStation and the (Apple) iPad.

What sticks out to you there? If you don't see the vast difference between the Sony or Apple brand and the Libre Office brand then you don't understand marketing.

At this point Steve Jobs could make a toilet called the iShit and people would not care about the name, because they know and love the Apple brand. The product names matter extremely little for them, because people hear Apple (some bad product name), not (some unknown company) iPad. People are excited for the former and ridicule the later.

Sony holds an equally good name with many.

Both also have massive TV advertising budgets.

There is no comparison to this situation.

Explain why FOSS is often times better than the commercial counter point and is by definition cheaper, but still isn't gaining traction, what is the problem?

I contend the problem is marketing. FOSS developers love to redicule/ignore marketing, advertising, and business people in general, but it is an important part of gaining mindshare. Sure their degree is easier to get, but that doesn't mean their job is easy to do right. Much like the bike shed, everyone has an opinion on marketing and advertising, that doesn't mean they have a good opinion on it. Saying that Apple and Sony are in anyway relevent to the naming of a relatively unknown product by a new group of people is like a marketing guy saying Cobol on Cogs is just like Ruby on Rails. We'd laugh at the marketing guy, but realize the marketing guys are laughing right back at the devs who suck at selling FOSS. We literally can't give away for free what they are charging money for.

You know where fixing that problem starts? By respecting marketing and advertising. It is far more than "just a name". There is no such thing as "just a name" when your only method of spreading the word is by word of mouth

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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And after that he can explain how the freedom is really for the source code and not for her!

Not really. If it's GPL, it's freedom for her from the developer.

Assuming she has both the skill and the time to understand and patch the codebase herself. Otherwise she will be just as beholden to said developer as she is to Microsoft.

More in fact; at least MS has some incentive to add features its users want rather than those that are merely interesting to code...

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and who wants to use a game console that sounds like a man's genitals or a tablet computer that sounds like a menstruation guard. Names do not matter when you already have a product people want and need.

I assume you mean the (Sony) PlayStation and the (Apple) iPad. What sticks out to you there? If you don't see the vast difference between the Sony or Apple brand and the Libre Office brand then you don't understand marketing. At this point Steve Jobs could make a toilet called the iShit and people would not care about the name, because they know and love the Apple brand. The product names matter extremely little for…

Actually, I think he was referring to the Wii ...

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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Did you explain to her what source code is and explain OSI's definition of open source (you know, DFSG rebranded)?

And after that he can explain how the freedom is really for the source code and not for her!

The source code inanimate. The GNU manifesto says that users shouldn't have arbitrary restrictions imposed on them; this has individual and collective implications.

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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"Libre" is probably better understood in Europe to mean "free" in its intended "free as in speech" sense.

That is probably true in Europe, but it definitely fails in the US. What I don't see is why the name has to be so damn literal. Firefox was never named "Libre Interent Browser" Google was never "Better Search Engine That Doesn't Totally Suck" OpenOffice at least wasn't that clunky and got the point across. This is a name by hackers for hackers. Why is that a good idea for a project with the mainstream reach of Firefo…

true - it is going to especially troublesome for non-native English speakers, who wont be able to pronounce the name.

Especially in Asia - is it "lee-bree office" or "lie-bree office" ?

Even worse is that you cant use the word in spoken conversation, and hope they will be able to spell it correctly enough for Google to work.

They are gonna search for "libr office" - which returns Microsoft Office as the top hit. Which means I cant go and ask my friends to download it.

Re: LibreOffice - A fresh page for OpenOffice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Libre" is probably better understood in Europe to mean "free" in its intended "free as in speech" sense.

That is probably true in Europe, but it definitely fails in the US. What I don't see is why the name has to be so damn literal. Firefox was never named "Libre Interent Browser" Google was never "Better Search Engine That Doesn't Totally Suck" OpenOffice at least wasn't that clunky and got the point across. This is a name by hackers for hackers. Why is that a good idea for a project with the mainstream reach of Firefo…

Even for Spanish speaking people it is a slow pronunciation word, Even OfficeLibre would be easier to pronounce.
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