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Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by pjmlp »

beagle3 wrote: post #40
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings. > If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes s…

> If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint? Yes, but I work on all three desktop OSes, and two mobile OSs; I picked Firefox, which I use everywhere except on iOS (where it does exist, but is not really Firefox, even if it does sync with the rest of the Firefoxen). > Also, Edge on iOS and Android will soon have a built-in adblocker. Coo…

Surely not an Android nor ChromeOS user I would guess.

Where are the telemetry setting again?

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by m1sta_ »

beagle3 wrote: post #23
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

> Edge is on both iOS and Android, Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. On iPhone, by Apple decree, ALL web browsers (including Firefox and Chrome) are rebranded WebKit; However, on Android, Chrome is (mostly) the real ch…

Edge on Android is faster and smoother than Chrome.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by pjmlp »

beagle3 wrote: post #60
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The most famous example of digital bait and switch was Microsoft’s misguided approach to getting people to upgrade their computers to Windows 10." They got a major upgrade for free with major improvements accross the board, they should be happy. > And according to the link you provided, "Although you can't completely prevent Microsoft from collecting diagnostic data, ...". Thanks, microsoft! but no thanks, even if…

I don't think this discussion is worth continuing as our basic definitions of decency, privacy, control and discourse are so far apart that it makes no sense. You ask "how is this a dark pattern", I give citation and reference, and your response is "they should be happy?" Seriously? > The basic telemetry is just harmless diagnostic data that's on every modern mainstream OS. MS isn't snooping on you. The only modern m…

> GDPR encodes in law the fact that everything like that must be opt-in, including telemetry and stuff. Unfortunately, it only applies to websites and not to the operating system. But it should.

Yep, Android and ChromeOS would be the first to go.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

kaoD wrote: post #31
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is the most resource efficient and respects modern Windows conventions, therefore it has the best, pen, touchscreen, tablet (including share button and stuff) and precision trackpad support. And since it's WinRT/UWP, it can suspends its tab processes, and also itself when minimized or automatically during tablet mode in the background, and during fullscreen it also automatically unhides the taskbar when you hove…

> Edge is the most resource efficient As a gamer with a potato computer I usually close my main browser (>100 tabs) when I game, but I need a browser for statistics. I've tried using Edge with a couple tabs open but it lowers my FPS, while having a secondary profile of Firefox or Chrome with tens of tabs is still fine. YMMV

I also have a slow 8 year old laptop, and Edge is also the most resource efficient there.

That said, Firefox still has the best performance with hundreds of tabs open.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by giancarlostoro »

martin_drapeau wrote: post #56

The article I find weak. They state things like 'an average memory savings of 7%' and 'up to 2.5x faster' without providing details. I would like to see benchmarks. Then again, I don't really care. Chrome has won the game on Windows. Beyond that, I feel people who have chosen Chrome as a browser on Windows will be very hard or impossible to switch because of their browser history, passwords and so forth is saved and…

Speak for yourself, Firefox has been good to me, and without phoning back home to Google. Facebook & Google Containers are great.

Browsers are like text editors, opinions and (pardon my French) like assholes, everyone has one, but nobody likes anybody else's...

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by giancarlostoro »

One announcement I'm waiting to hear about in all honesty is Microsoft open sourcing Edge, they don't have to reveal Cortana specifics (though that would be fund to read through if they'd allow it) but just EdgeHTML with Chakra in a way that compiles nicely. I would love to see what would happen if they allowed the community to contribute back to Edge if it could become much more competitive as a result of them welcoming contributors.

A few years ago I'd sound like I'd be tripping on bathsalts but I think it could happen, just a matter of when they choose to do so.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by NiveaGeForce »

beagle3 wrote: post #60
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The most famous example of digital bait and switch was Microsoft’s misguided approach to getting people to upgrade their computers to Windows 10." They got a major upgrade for free with major improvements accross the board, they should be happy. > And according to the link you provided, "Although you can't completely prevent Microsoft from collecting diagnostic data, ...". Thanks, microsoft! but no thanks, even if…

I don't think this discussion is worth continuing as our basic definitions of decency, privacy, control and discourse are so far apart that it makes no sense. You ask "how is this a dark pattern", I give citation and reference, and your response is "they should be happy?" Seriously? > The basic telemetry is just harmless diagnostic data that's on every modern mainstream OS. MS isn't snooping on you. The only modern m…

A lot of FUD in that article.

> Ok, to clear a little bit of this so it’s not a complete freak out. This WiFi Sense has been known about for a while now and has been in various tech preview builds. Plus Windows Phone. Second thing is that WiFi networks are not shared by default. I just checked this on my Surface Pro 3. The WiFi Sense service is indeed enabled by default, but you must specifically pick which of your saved networks get shared. Non of your saved WiFi networks are shared automatically without your knowledge. When you connect to a new network, there will be a check box you can select to share the network after connecting. It is not checked by default. The Outlook, Skype, and Facebook friends are checked by default, but that only means that they are enabled for sharing. You still have to pick which networks are shared first. Also WiFi Sense needs you to grant it permission your Facebook first before any sharing takes place. I hope this clears some of this up a bit. The article made it seem like this is a huge deal to freak out about when it’s really not.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by beagle3 »

pjmlp wrote: post #61
beagle3 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint? Yes, but I work on all three desktop OSes, and two mobile OSs; I picked Firefox, which I use everywhere except on iOS (where it does exist, but is not really Firefox, even if it does sync with the rest of the Firefoxen). > Also, Edge on iOS and Android will soon have a built-in adblocker. Coo…

Surely not an Android nor ChromeOS user I would guess. Where are the telemetry setting again?

On android they are called "Google Play Services". I'm an incidental Android user, but last I tried removing them, that did stop the telemetry (and killed a lot of functionality, but my phone is still usable for my usage).

No idea about ChromeOS - my chromebook runs Arch ....

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by ohitsdom »

vbezhenar wrote: post #51
maga wrote: post #18

Two things on my wishlist as a developer: 1. Decoupling Edge updates from Windows updates for quicker adoption. 2. Custom Elements as the basic feature for Web Components.

Edge is a Windows component, why decouple its updates? Is there any problems with quick windows updates? Ordinary users can't even disable updates now, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Why tie one program's update cycle to the update cycle of the entire OS? It would unnecessarily slow down updates to Edge.

This is the opposite strategy that Microsoft adopted with .NET Core, where everything is being moved to smaller, individual packages so they can be updated on their own schedule instead of being tied to the overall framework version.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by beagle3 »

pjmlp wrote: post #63
beagle3 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this discussion is worth continuing as our basic definitions of decency, privacy, control and discourse are so far apart that it makes no sense. You ask "how is this a dark pattern", I give citation and reference, and your response is "they should be happy?" Seriously? > The basic telemetry is just harmless diagnostic data that's on every modern mainstream OS. MS isn't snooping on you. The only modern m…

> GDPR encodes in law the fact that everything like that must be opt-in, including telemetry and stuff. Unfortunately, it only applies to websites and not to the operating system. But it should. Yep, Android and ChromeOS would be the first to go.

And that would make me very happy.
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