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Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#41

Post by ringbugger »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

It still has problems to scale images in a reasonable quality. A problem IE always had.

It also forces Bing down your throat if you select text and open the context menu.

It sometimes closes without any error message (to be fair, some crack-pipe UX-Designers call that a good thing.)

It cannot be configured in detail at all (about:flags; is there anything else?)

Dev-Tools are increadibly slow.

It is basically IE12 with less features because it got a new UI. Although they removed a lot of legacy stuff which I consider a step in the right direction.

Still, bottom line: Bad browser. The internet would be a better place if MS would stop to develop any browser.

I actually think that JS engines are very close to each other and that most performance indicators are a bit lacking if it comes to applicability on real pages.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#43

Post by NiveaGeForce »

beagle3 wrote: post #40
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Something called Edge from Microsoft is available for iOS (where it is a rebranded WebKit) and on Android (where it is a rebranded Blink, IIRC). Why is it a problem that it uses webkit on iOS and Android? Why reinvent the wheel, when those rendering engines are already optimized for those platforms? The thing I care about is that it supports syncing of settings. > If you primarily work with Windows 10, Edge makes s…

> If you primarily work with Mac OS, Safari makes some sense, otherwise it makes no sense. Why do I never hear that complaint? Yes, but I work on all three desktop OSes, and two mobile OSs; I picked Firefox, which I use everywhere except on iOS (where it does exist, but is not really Firefox, even if it does sync with the rest of the Firefoxen). > Also, Edge on iOS and Android will soon have a built-in adblocker. Coo…

> Cool. Firefox already does, and I can also use it on Linux and Mac.

But Chrome doesn't and I don't use Linux or Mac, but if I were primarily using a Mac, I would be using Safari. And If I were primarily using ChromeOS, I would be using Chrome.

> I have no way to verify exactly what Microsoft sends to their servers (and their description is incomplete and out of date, if you care to trust it).

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-view-and-manage-diagnosti...

> The upgrade-to-windows-10 dark patterns are what you should consider when you think "windows control & privacy".

How is this a dark pattern? Windows 7 and 8 also have telemetry, but they don't let you view it as conveniently as in Windows 10. Also the OS itself supports more privacy control against 3rd party apps, which should be the biggest concern.

> Not in my experience of Edge vs Firefox, unless things have changed very dramatically in the last few months.

Firefox is among the most resource heavy, on both Windows and Mac OS.

> In my biased sample of the world, PCs have gone back to being work devices, and everything else is being done on the phone, with cloud sync bridging the gaps. I know a few people who bought a 2-in-1 but no one uses them except as a laptop except on very very rare occasions.

I do all my work on a Surface Pro 2-in-1, more than 50% of the time in tablet mode. I also keep a close eye on ChromeOS and iPads, but unless they support most of my software and use-cases, I see no reason to switch from Windows anytime soon.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#44

Post by NiveaGeForce »

andybak wrote: post #39
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices. Edge on iOS and Android will have a built-in adblocker soon.

> The only thing that matters Well - for some of us it matters that the rendering engine behaviour and performance characteristics are the same.

Which are the same as the defaults of the host OS. So there is nothing to make a fuss about.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by vbezhenar »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I use it. I just like it. It's like old Google Chrome, minimalistic and fast. I've yet to find anything that didn't work. Currently I'm using Windows so cross-platform support is not necessary. Actually I wouldn't use Edge at all if it would be cross-platform, I like native specialized applications.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#46

Post by rypskar »

maga wrote: post #18

Two things on my wishlist as a developer: 1. Decoupling Edge updates from Windows updates for quicker adoption. 2. Custom Elements as the basic feature for Web Components.

I want to add: 3. Use my hosts file so I can connect to my local dev environments

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#47

Post by jannes »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I use it as my cookie browser (where cookies are allowed).

In Firefox I have cookies disabled and selectively whitelist.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by jug »

andybak wrote: post #39
NiveaGeForce wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that matters is that it integrates well and is efficient on the host OS, and that it can sync settings, bookmarks, reading list and stuff between your devices. Edge on iOS and Android will have a built-in adblocker soon.

> The only thing that matters Well - for some of us it matters that the rendering engine behaviour and performance characteristics are the same.

That's true, and for others it matters that regardless web browser used on iOS, all you need to care for as a developer is that the user is on iOS.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

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Post by vbezhenar »

ringbugger wrote: post #41
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

It still has problems to scale images in a reasonable quality. A problem IE always had. It also forces Bing down your throat if you select text and open the context menu. It sometimes closes without any error message (to be fair, some crack-pipe UX-Designers call that a good thing.) It cannot be configured in detail at all (about:flags; is there anything else?) Dev-Tools are increadibly slow. It is basically IE12 wit…

> It also forces Bing down your throat if you select text and open the context menu.

I have google as default search engine and it shows me google in context menu, I don't have any mentions of bing.

> It sometimes closes without any error message (to be fair, some crack-pipe UX-Designers call that a good thing.) It cannot be configured in detail at all (about:flags; is there anything else?)

Never closed for me, probably happens not so often. Even JavaScript can't do that without my confirmation. Actually I saw the opposite behavior, some tab hanged and even if I closed all tabs, window still remained opened with zero tabs. "Fixed" by pressing "X" on window itself, so not a real problem. I didn't upgrade to Windows 2018 yet, may be they fixed that already.

> Still, bottom line: Bad browser. The internet would be a better place if MS would stop to develop any browser. I actually think that JS engines are very close to each other and that most performance indicators are a bit lacking if it comes to applicability on real pages.

I don't agree. I'm not sure about internals, but UI of Edge is awesome while UI of Internet Explorer is horrible. I like this browser and I would be sad if MS would stop its development. Web needs more different implementations of standards and more competition.

Re: Improved JavaScript and WebAssembly performance in EdgeHTML 17

#50

Post by addicted »

billysielu wrote: post #19
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #2

I've never seen a person using Edge. Does anyone here use it? Do you work at Microsoft or have a big technical investment in their technology? Do you find the lack of cross-platform support annoying, or do you primarily use a single OS? These changes all look like they apply to ChakraCore, which is open source and available outside of Windows. I'd be curious to hear what kinds of use-cases people have for using Node…

I've never considered Edge because it didn't have extensions at launch. The maximum time I could tolerate a browser without an ad blocker was just long enough to download another browser. It actually looks like there are extensions now, but I bet most people don't know that, I didn't.

Extensions were highly promoted when they were released. Microsoft also offers to install some extensions for you under certain circumstances (e.g. if you search for a product on a search engine I believe it recommends installing the shopping comparison extension).
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