I thought the four most expensive words in the English language were "will you marry me".
Either those, or "Let's have a baby."
Usually that one works without words.
The most expensive four words in the English language: “This time is different”
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#12The edited title was a bit confusing to read for me. I would've found it easier to see it reversed: The Four Most Expensive Words in the English Language: "This time is different" Anyway, on to the actual topic... I need to sit down to give this more thought, but I still think there's value in P2P networks, and it's worth pursuing. You should be able to easily replicate and share content that you care about. The big…
> I need to sit down to give this more thought, but I still think there's value in P2P networks, and it's worth pursuing.
My argument against this is just because it's purely peer-to-peer, it doesn't always directly mean it's an overall improvement in the user experience.
> You should be able to easily replicate and share content that you care about.
Yes there is definitely value in that, I even agree with there! But I personally think turning the whole thing into a completely peer-to-peer approach isn't the answer. It's the raw shit problems about bandwidth capability and network latency which really matters - which, if you've tried streaming from utorrent/bittorrent before, it's very obvious that the experience is still greatly affected by the lack of a little centralization that YouTube has.
> The big incentive is being able to keep your own copy and being able to do whatever you want with it. How many times have you tried searching for an old YouTube video, only to find it got taken down?
Neutral on this, very nuanced since most of the time it involves legal issues and opinionated perspectives, lol.
Re: The most expensive four words in the English language: “This time is different”
#13There are a number of assumptions being made about "P2", for example: > a peer stores a single copy Why? You can have multiple peers store your data and I can argue that this will be even more competitive in price. > they need to implement their own erasure coding to compensate for the lack of redundancy at the service. But you can have redundancy at the service. > P2's pricing will be volatile This is unexplained.
These assertions are descriptions of the current set of crypto P2P storage systems.
Peers only store one copy of your data, per peer. Of course, multiple peers will store copies of your data or the system could never work, but there isn't too much incentive for any one peer to store two copies of your data.
Price volatility for these systems is already a fact, and it's unlikely that any crypto could match AWS' historical price predictability of "monotonically decreasing".
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#15Great post, I dig it.
But I'm fucking wondering why there isn't an option to subscribe to future posts / your site in general.
Re: The most expensive four words in the English language: “This time is different”
#16The edited title was a bit confusing to read for me. I would've found it easier to see it reversed: The Four Most Expensive Words in the English Language: "This time is different" Anyway, on to the actual topic... I need to sit down to give this more thought, but I still think there's value in P2P networks, and it's worth pursuing. You should be able to easily replicate and share content that you care about. The big…
What you're talking about is the difference between an ecology and a monoculture.
The reason why we don't see monocultures in nature is because they put every single one of their members at risk of sudden death. A single pathogen can wipe them out. The exhaustion of resources required to sustain them can starve them. The build up of by products can kill them. Think of a medieval town drowning in excrement, running out of top soil and about to get hit by the plague.
An ecology on the other hand puts none of their members at risk by virtue of their existence because they are diluted. Think of a band of hunter gatherers, they might individually die at 40, be exposed to ebola and worse, but the fact they are so widely separated and so few means that they have few if any vulnerabilities that can kill the whole tribe.
The reason why we see monocultures now is because they are more efficient and our time horizons are tiny. Amazon will fail catastrophically. Billions or trillions will be lost. No one will learn anything because it's cheaper not to than to build a really resilient network.
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#17The edited title was a bit confusing to read for me. I would've found it easier to see it reversed: The Four Most Expensive Words in the English Language: "This time is different" Anyway, on to the actual topic... I need to sit down to give this more thought, but I still think there's value in P2P networks, and it's worth pursuing. You should be able to easily replicate and share content that you care about. The big…
I think replicated personal data is great, but the author's point is you are probably going to get a lot more storage and bandwidth per dollar by replicating across centralized storage providers.
There may be some wins for the specific case of loading something from someone on the same LAN as you, but that's probably not something that can sustain a P2P storage market.
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#18Great post, I dig it. But I'm fucking wondering why there isn't an option to subscribe to future posts / your site in general.
What do you mean? There's an RSS available: https://blog.dshr.org/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss
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#19I thought the four most expensive words in the English language were "will you marry me".
"Make America great again"
Re: The most expensive four words in the English language: “This time is different”
#20The edited title was a bit confusing to read for me. I would've found it easier to see it reversed: The Four Most Expensive Words in the English Language: "This time is different" Anyway, on to the actual topic... I need to sit down to give this more thought, but I still think there's value in P2P networks, and it's worth pursuing. You should be able to easily replicate and share content that you care about. The big…
What you're talking about is the difference between an ecology and a monoculture. The reason why we don't see monocultures in nature is because they put every single one of their members at risk of sudden death. A single pathogen can wipe them out. The exhaustion of resources required to sustain them can starve them. The build up of by products can kill them. Think of a medieval town drowning in excrement, running ou…
This is a greatly simplified and probably unproductive view of both ecologies and monocultures. Certainly nature as a whole is an ecology, but you are vague in defining what a monoculture even is, or how both even apply to human culture.
To wit, there are massive redwood forests that occur in nature that are just one cloned genome. These are reproductively successful on timespans many times a human life.
Is Amazon itself a monoculture? Is that relevant? Is enforcement of law by the state a monoculture? There's a lot of evidence to suggest that centralized information management entities are actually much more robust in the long term than a loose confederation of peers.