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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by culot »

joeblau wrote: post #172

I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

FWIW:

                    |     Firefox     |     Edge        |    Chrome 
    ----------------|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------
    Speedometer 2.0 |  65.70 ±01.100  |  59.10 ±01.300  |  86.92 ±00.600
    JetStream       | 191.73 ±14.598  | 226.78 ±12.531  | 162.21 ±02.1999
    Motion Mark     | 173.67 ±04.61%  | 432.36 ±13.07%  | 279.61 ±13.67%
    ARES-6          |  63.72 ±01.26ms |  77.97 ±20.19ms |  27.65 ±00.79ms

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by mda »

Digital-Citizen wrote: post #282

From the article: "But [Firefox] became irrelevant after Google in 2008 released Chrome, a faster, more secure and versatile browser." Google Chrome is proprietary software. There's no way to back up any claim of it being "secure" because there's no way to determine what proprietary programs do. Users lack the permission to inspect the program's source code, alter the program, or distribute altered versions. Firefox,…

Chrome was and is more secure than Firefox because of its architecture.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by teekert »

I never left Firefox, but I was able to completely drop all other browsers when they introduced containers. All the tracking stuff can only see each others cookies whereas my default session only logs me into my own services and some that I trust. I love it. I use Privacy Badger (doesn't block non-tracking ads by default) and sometimes uBlock origin but I unblock sites I like with an ad policy that shows some thought went into it.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by dmortin »

teekert wrote: post #295

I never left Firefox, but I was able to completely drop all other browsers when they introduced containers. All the tracking stuff can only see each others cookies whereas my default session only logs me into my own services and some that I trust. I love it. I use Privacy Badger (doesn't block non-tracking ads by default) and sometimes uBlock origin but I unblock sites I like with an ad policy that shows some thought…

What about browser fingerprinting? If you use the same browser then they know it's you from the same fingerprint, so they can still track you if they want.

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Post by cpeterso »

dblohm7 wrote: post #242
nsm wrote: post #233

I'm typing this comment from Firefox running inside a container on a Pixelbook (ChromeOS) :) Firefox has been my daily driver for over 5 years, with all my history and bookmarks synced across all devices I had to have it on ChromeOS too. It does a great job. The Tree Style Tabs extension really makes life easy and with u2f support, there are very few things I need to use Chrome for now (Looks at hangouts!).

My understanding is that Hangouts has finally been fixed.

Yes. Google now supports Firefox in legacy Hangouts and Meet, the enterprise version of Hangouts:

https://blog.mozilla.org/webrtc/firefox-is-now-supported-by-...

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Post by yolo1897 »

tomnipotent wrote: post #60
nimbius wrote: post #53

1. does it still require me to use pulseaudio to compile it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345661 2. does it still send DNS data to third parties for analytics. https://www.ghacks.net/2018/03/20/firefox-dns-over-https-and... 3. Am i still required to build Pocket when I build Firefox? are we still forbidden from removing pocket? 4. Is telemetry still shipped on by default? https://www.theregister.co.u…

This sums it up nicely. I refuse to use Firefox until they remove Pocket, it's an absolute tragedy that it was ever included by default and forced onto a user base that never asked for it.

pocket.enabled in about:config, set the value to “false”.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by nikbackm »

beagle3 wrote: post #287
mikedilger wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason to use both uBlock Origin and uMatrix? I thought uMatrix was a more explicit version of the same functionality as uBlock Origin (and written by the same guy).

Yes. Other than the issue of cosmetic filters (which I don't personally use), the main difference is that for uBlock you can subscribe to really good lists, collected and curated by a lot of people - so it is "defauly allow, except for these...", whereas uMatrix is "default deny, except for what you explicitly allowed". I run both, occasionally have to allow something in uMatrix, never have to turn uBlock off.

You can configure uBlock to use default deny as well by changing the mode [1].

It's not as fine-grained as uMatrix but works similarly.

[1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by danielbarla »

susam wrote: post #76

Firefox was never away, at least for me. Therefore the expression "Firefox is back" sounds a little odd to me. I have been using it since 2006 (Firefox 2.0). Back then, the presence of the Firebug extension for Firefox made me switch to Firefox as my primary browser. Two years later, Chrome arrived but Firefox remained as my primary browser because I wanted to continue using the Vimperator extension for Firefox that…

I have a very similar background with Firefox / Firebug and Vimperator, but there was a period where - despite all JS benchmarks seemingly proving otherwise - Chrome's real / perceived performance completely blew FF out of the water. Specifically things like startup time, opening a new window or tearing a tab off one, time to first content displayed when clicking a link, etc. As a result from about 2011 to 2017, I kept periodically checking back with FF, but was effectively a Chrome convert (Vimium was a good enough replacement for Vimperator). Once Servo hit the FF mainstream, it immediately felt faster, and I switched back. I still find myself switching back to Chrome for web dev debugging, probably for familiarity reasons. In this sense though, I'm sure I'm not the only one for whom "Firefox is back".
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