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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#251

When it stops being a battery hog on Macs, sure. On Android the performance is comparable to Chrome, but I can never get used to some of their UXes (pressing the X button doesn't clear the address bar, instead closes it). Also no seamless page opening with Google search app (although I suspect they can't do much about this)

Are you using ff beta on Android?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#252

I switched to Vivaldi a year or two ago after using Firefox as my main browser for the longest time. I've considered switching back, but every time I run up against several features in Vivaldi that I am just not ready to part with yet: 1) tab stacks, 2) the ability to save and reopen an entire session, 3) a page load progress indicator in the URL bar, 4) using Ctrl-F highlights the position of all matching locations…

Once Vivaldi has a Sync feature like FF and Chrome do, I am going to switch...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#253

Mozilla as an organization makes me a bit uncomfortable. I still haven't forgotten the entire Brendan Eich fiasco. Who is to say that extremely politically motivated folks at Mozilla may consider it their duty to expose user(s) in a similar way? How can they purport to be a champion of user privacy after what they did to Brendan Eich?

I'm a Mozilla employee who was there for this whole thing. There are a lot of misconceptions about how that went down.

This article IMO is the least inaccurate of the press coverage from around that time: https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-under-fire-inside-the-9-da...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#254

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

I'm a Mozilla employee who was there at the time, and I can tell you that there are a lot of misconceptions about how all of that went down. The least inaccurate coverage that I've seen on the topic is https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-under-fire-inside-the-9-da...

I'd suggest you take a look.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who gets to say what protections people should and should not receive? If a company genuinely believes that pro-LGBT views are harmful, then in your framework they're equally justified to fire employees that donated in opposition to Proposition 8. I think a lot of people forget that there's a world beyond liberal urban areas. Allowing it to become socially acceptable for companies to fire employees for their poli…

And who gets to say what protections people should and should not receive? In the US, the notion of equal protection under law is stated unequivocally in our founding documents. It is not the government's business to sanction some personal relationships but not others. Not debatable at all, IMO, when looked at objectively,

So to support policies that are later determined to be unconstitutional become fireable offenses? That means anyone that supports public school racial integration policies (as in, deliberately balancing out student populations to counteract de-facto segregation) should be fired. This was determined unconstitutional in 2007 [1]. Anyone that supports racial quotas in higher education also needs to be fired, because that was ruled illegal back in Bakke vs. Regents. Using constitutionality as a basis for whether certain political beliefs are fireable offenses is going to entail the firing of lots of liberals in addition to anti-gay marriage proponents. I don't think this justification was thought through.

It's also worth mentioning that at the time of his firing, the Supreme Court had yet to rule that banning gay marriage was illegal. Eich was fired before the Supreme Court made Proposition 8 unconstitutional.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desegregation_busing#Reaction

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#256

I just ran both of the speed test benchmarks [1][2] mentioned in the article, plus two other tests [3][4]. | Firefox | Safari | Chrome ----------------|----------------|-----------------|----------------- Speedometer 2.0 | 83.0 ±0.91 | 92.1 ±2.8 | 75.7 ±3.4 JetStream | 219.40 ±8.5563 | 294.79 ±11.138 | 201.81 ±15.171 Motion Mark | 203.71 ±5.41% | 525.77 ±6.56% | 388.85 ±4.79 ARES-6 | 54.06 ±0.95ms | 16.85 ±1.19ms | 2…

It's much faster than it was. I don't notice any difference when I switched. I switched just so chrome wouldn't have such a monopoly

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#257
I've been using Firefox for 10+ years. The latest Quantum release broke some addons, specifically keysnail. I just couldn't replace it. The last one I've tried was surfingkeys but it was buggy and lacked the good features of keysnail. Eventually I've switched to CVim + Chromium. I couldn't be happier.

I mean, how is this not a bug? You wouldn't expect the latest Emacs release to not support user config files (I'm stretching the analogy here a bit) or something, right?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#258
Scrolling on chrome (via the keyboard) has become incredibly slow and janky. One example: log in to twitter, click any tweet, then click outside the lightbox to return to the main page. Then hold the down arrow key. It's unusably slow (and choppy). This also happens on amazon and a bunch of other sites.

Firefox, on the other hand, has consistently fast & buttery smooth scrolling.

I'm surprised this doesn't get called out more.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has the right to free speech - but no one has the right to avoid consequences for that speech. In 2008, he spoke, via a $1,000 public donation, of his opinion to support Prop 8. It wasn't just some random thought - he had a very specific outcome in mind that he wanted to see enacted that would impact _other_ people's lives. He got the consequence he wanted - Prop 8 passed and same-sex marriage was outlawed.…

> Everyone has the right to free speech - but no one has the right to avoid consequences for that speech This is actually not true. For example, it would have been illegal for Mozilla to fire Eich for his donation. This is because political activity is considered protected in California (like gender, race, etc.), so firing someone for making a political statement or for donating to a political cause is illegal. We wi…

Which isn't what happened here. The consequence he faced was that his employees demanded his resignation. He resigned.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has the right to free speech - but no one has the right to avoid consequences for that speech. In 2008, he spoke, via a $1,000 public donation, of his opinion to support Prop 8. It wasn't just some random thought - he had a very specific outcome in mind that he wanted to see enacted that would impact _other_ people's lives. He got the consequence he wanted - Prop 8 passed and same-sex marriage was outlawed.…

> Everyone has the right to free speech - but no one has the right to avoid consequences for that speech. Incorrect. At least, it's incorrect as far as consequences levied by their employers. In the United States, government employees are protected by the First Amendment. E.G. a government department that fired employees for pro or anti gay marriage donations would mean that the government is privileging one politica…

I wasn't saying that there aren't certain protections for speech - there are, and there should be. Its not like once you speak everyone in the room has the right to punch you in the face. What I'm saying, is that once you speak, there are some consequences you must face - one being that other people get to respond with their own speech. In his case, his employees exercised their right to speak, said they thought he wasn't fit to be CEO, demanded his resignation, and he resigned.
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