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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by zmix » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:17 AM UTC

grundymonday wrote: post #153

I switched to Vivaldi a year or two ago after using Firefox as my main browser for the longest time. I've considered switching back, but every time I run up against several features in Vivaldi that I am just not ready to part with yet: 1) tab stacks, 2) the ability to save and reopen an entire session, 3) a page load progress indicator in the URL bar, 4) using Ctrl-F highlights the position of all matching locations…

Vivaldi is being built on Node.js! I did not have the time, yet, to dive into this topic, but it could mean for some real power-horse!

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/5347/technologies-behind-viv...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by batteryhorse » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:19 AM UTC

dagenix wrote: post #203

mongol wrote: post #187

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There is such a thing as respecting a differing opinion. I see more and more tendencies to view differing opinions as something that is simply not acceptable, even for opinions that have been ordinary just a short while back. That is bizarre to me.

Not all opinions are the same. Some opinions are trivial. I think Wendy's produces a superior burger to Burger King. Someone else might disagree. We can have a friendly discussion about our points of view. Other opinions aren't so trivial. Take, for example, denying the right to marry to a whole segment of the population, a right that you yourself enjoy, for no reason whatsoever. Its kinda hard to have a friendly dis…

It's neither a right, nor a privilege. It's a job. Was he doing a good job? I would say yes. Did Firefox prosper after he left? I would say no. User marketshare has gone down. I don't care about 'morality', I just want a good browser.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by dagenix » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:21 AM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #205

dagenix wrote: post #194

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You can't just throw your hands up in the air and say that because there is no absolute scale with which to measure human rights, everything goes. And I think its also not good policy to say that because an organization might* fire a pro-LGTB employee for their views, that everyone should be let to act however they want without consequences. In your view, what publicly expressed opinions would disqualify someone to b…

> You can't just throw your hands up in the air and say that because there is no absolute scale with which to measure human rights, everything goes. And I think its also not good policy to say that because an organization might* fire a pro-LGTB employee for their views, that everyone should be let to act however they want without consequences. In your view, what publicly expressed opinions would disqualify someone to…

If all political views are valid, what about someone that has documented pro-segregation views? Is that person qualified to make decisions that impact the lives of a diverse workforce? If not, where do you draw the line? I'm not trying to make a strawman argument - I'm seriously asking why would this be any different?

The problem isn't that he had some thought in his head - its that he took that thought in his head and turned it into action. And those publicly documented actions made it impossible for his employees to trust him to make decisions in their best interest. Having the trust of his employees is 100% part of his job - the fact that he lacked that made him unfit to be CEO.

Supporting something that turns out to be unconstitutional clearly shouldn't be a fireable offense. But, both of the examples you cite are cases where a person can cite reasonable reason for their support that aren't merely about controlling the lives of others for no purpose. I probably made a mistake in mentioning it was overturned at all - I'm just saying, he continued to argue for something that wasn't even relevant anymore - in 2014 when this controversy erupted, same sex marriages were actively occurring in California. It seems likely that some of his employees may have benefited from this. And, yet, in 2014 he continued to support the prohibition of same-sex marriage - actively advocating against the life choices that his employees were making at that very time.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:23 AM UTC

f311a wrote: post #35

noobermin wrote: post #24

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Off chance, do you use html5 video?

I do. For me, it looks like Firefox is struggling with rendering when it comes to any kind of animation/effects, e.g videos, images, as well as js powered animations using SVG/canvas. Even simple things make my laptop boil. Maybe I'm wrong about CPU and it's all about integrated Intel GPU.

Do you have a blacklisted GPU driver? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drive...

You can check in about:support whether it is disabled. There's a section at the bottom of the article about how to force-enable various features if you want to see how glitchy it really is on your machine.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by manfredo » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:25 AM UTC

scrollaway wrote: post #154

sergiotapia wrote: post #134

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I followed Eich to the Brave browser. It's really great, but the devtools still don't dock within the window but they're working on it. Firefox crucified their CEO over his PRIVATE conservative views and that was scary how quick the mob turns on someone. If they turned on the got damn inventor of javascript, how quick will they turn on your minion employee?

If a lot of employees are (very) uncomfortable with their CEO, that CEO is toxic for the company regardless of whether their views are private/public, right/wrong, just/unjust. One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited?

> One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited?

No, this is a false scenario. Neither of the two have to go. It's totally possible for employees to continue to choose to work at the company even if they don't agree with their CEO's political views. Plenty of adults manage to work with people that have significant political differences. A more realistic second choice is that some employees choose to quite and most choose to stay.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by simcop2387 » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:26 AM UTC

mikedilger wrote: post #155

fencepost wrote: post #85

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Firefox is my "daily driver" for almost all browsing, and is also locked down with uMatrix, uBlock Origin, DecentralEyes and Ghostery (though I could probably drop Ghostery without missing it). Chrome has uBlock Origin and a few other things but interferes with pages less. I keep a set of pages for some specific web apps (e.g. GMail, Google Calendar, task management, etc.) open…

Is there a reason to use both uBlock Origin and uMatrix? I thought uMatrix was a more explicit version of the same functionality as uBlock Origin (and written by the same guy).

They can do similar things, uBlock Origin is setup to block ads and other elements on the page (depending on the lists you subscribe to). But uMatrix is more like Noscript, it's blocking the loading of resources from the web. So you can block javascript from some domains, while allowing images or video, etc. I use both so i can block a lot of third party scripts even without them being ads (so most tracking scripts and such).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:28 AM UTC

dagenix wrote: post #203

mongol wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is such a thing as respecting a differing opinion. I see more and more tendencies to view differing opinions as something that is simply not acceptable, even for opinions that have been ordinary just a short while back. That is bizarre to me.

Not all opinions are the same. Some opinions are trivial. I think Wendy's produces a superior burger to Burger King. Someone else might disagree. We can have a friendly discussion about our points of view. Other opinions aren't so trivial. Take, for example, denying the right to marry to a whole segment of the population, a right that you yourself enjoy, for no reason whatsoever. Its kinda hard to have a friendly dis…

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by 5thbootloader » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:29 AM UTC

dagenix wrote: post #194

manfredo wrote: post #159

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And who gets to say what protections people should and should not receive? If a company genuinely believes that pro-LGBT views are harmful, then in your framework they're equally justified to fire employees that donated in opposition to Proposition 8. I think a lot of people forget that there's a world beyond liberal urban areas. Allowing it to become socially acceptable for companies to fire employees for their poli…

You can't just throw your hands up in the air and say that because there is no absolute scale with which to measure human rights, everything goes. And I think its also not good policy to say that because an organization might* fire a pro-LGTB employee for their views, that everyone should be let to act however they want without consequences. In your view, what publicly expressed opinions would disqualify someone to b…

I don't believe being against LGBT marriages necessarily implies that you are against all forms of LGBT relationships / lifestyles.

Marriage has become regulated by the state due to its implications on all citizens. Just because someone doesn't agree with how the state legislates sexual relationships doesn't mean they should be antogonized. Their views can be beneficial to the argument regardless of which side they take.

Simply shutting down conflicting political ideologies doesn't really lead to any rational discussion on the matter. To give an example, consider the current legal strife with gun control. Some people want the state to increase gun regulation and others don't. If each party simply supports their case by saying the other party is discriminating against their way of life, the discussion wouldn't lead to anything sensibly intelligent.

People should have the ability to defend any argument they wish, so long as they remain civil about it. This is especially the case in matters which actually concern the people themselves. Their propositions may be wrong and detrimental to society but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to express their thoughts.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by zamalek » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:31 AM UTC

fencepost wrote: post #85

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Firefox is my "daily driver" for almost all browsing, and is also locked down with uMatrix, uBlock Origin, DecentralEyes and Ghostery (though I could probably drop Ghostery without missing it). Chrome has uBlock Origin and a few other things but interferes with pages less. I keep a set of pages for some specific web apps (e.g. GMail, Google Calendar, task management, etc.) open…

> Firefox is my "daily driver"

I only have FF Developer Edition (IE and Edge, blegh) installed on my host. The only time I open Chrome or otherwise is inside a VM. If a website doesn't work I just close the tab. That is assuming that ever happens; off the top of my head this hasn't happened since the Quantum beta launched.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by ninkendo » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:31 AM UTC

stevekemp wrote: post #216

It was only a couple of months ago that I remembered I paid to have my name included in the Firefox advert, as printed in the New York Times: https://blog.mozilla.org/press/2004/12/mozilla-foundation-pl... That was back in 2003!

I remember going to a Firefox 1.0 release party at Dragonmead brewery near Detroit and meeting a bunch of local nerds from IRC and various LUGs. A party with strangers just to celebrate the release of a browser we didn't get paid to promote or develop.

I feel like the era where people were passionate about open source as a goal in itself has really waned in recent years. Maybe because a lot of the major battles were won, or because more companies are realizing that open source is a logical business choice in a lot of cases.

Or maybe it's just rosy retrospection at play and I've just become jaded.