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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by void_starer »

Jaepa wrote: post #99
michaelmrose wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tridactyl is quickly approaching parity with pentadactyl

Especially after installing the native message. Want a bind to open something in mpv/youtube-dl `";v": "hint -W exclaim_quiet mpv"` Want to open a text field in gvim? Hit `ctl+i` Want to remove the extra chrome: run `:guiset gui none` I stuck on the ESR of firefox for a long time because I wasn't willing to give up vimperator. Its not the same, but its pretty close. There are 2 main pain points, which I don't know it…

WOW, thanks for this! This extension is awesome. This provides all the functionalities I use vimium (in chrome) for, but what does it for me is this:

> Want to remove the extra chrome: run `:guiset gui none`

Top bar with so much padding is one of the main reasons I am not using Firefox.

Also the awesome command bar at the bottom is something that I've always found missing in vimium, (which has an omnibar but it's placing feels awkward.)

I think I am going to make firefox as deafult.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by mxvzr »

fencepost wrote: post #85

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Firefox is my "daily driver" for almost all browsing, and is also locked down with uMatrix, uBlock Origin, DecentralEyes and Ghostery (though I could probably drop Ghostery without missing it). Chrome has uBlock Origin and a few other things but interferes with pages less. I keep a set of pages for some specific web apps (e.g. GMail, Google Calendar, task management, etc.) open…

I'd remove Ghostery. Not only is it useless once you are running uMatrix & uBlock Origin, they also used to sells your data (page visit, blocking, and advertising statistics) if you activated a feature called "GhostRank". Not sure whether it's still true or not.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by grundymonday »

I switched to Vivaldi a year or two ago after using Firefox as my main browser for the longest time. I've considered switching back, but every time I run up against several features in Vivaldi that I am just not ready to part with yet:

1) tab stacks, 2) the ability to save and reopen an entire session, 3) a page load progress indicator in the URL bar, 4) using Ctrl-F highlights the position of all matching locations in the page in the right-hand scroll bar, and 5) the window panel, which keeps track of all closed tabs and windows so you can reopen everything if you accidentally close a window.

Some of those are small perks, and some of them are major. I'd love to see Firefox implement some of them.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by scrollaway »

sergiotapia wrote: post #134
hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

I followed Eich to the Brave browser. It's really great, but the devtools still don't dock within the window but they're working on it. Firefox crucified their CEO over his PRIVATE conservative views and that was scary how quick the mob turns on someone. If they turned on the got damn inventor of javascript, how quick will they turn on your minion employee?

If a lot of employees are (very) uncomfortable with their CEO, that CEO is toxic for the company regardless of whether their views are private/public, right/wrong, just/unjust.

One of the two have to go: The CEO, or the employees. Do you want to live in the world where Mozilla fires thousands of employees who disagree with their CEO's view that gay marriage should be prohibited?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by mikedilger »

fencepost wrote: post #85

I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Firefox is my "daily driver" for almost all browsing, and is also locked down with uMatrix, uBlock Origin, DecentralEyes and Ghostery (though I could probably drop Ghostery without missing it). Chrome has uBlock Origin and a few other things but interferes with pages less. I keep a set of pages for some specific web apps (e.g. GMail, Google Calendar, task management, etc.) open…

Is there a reason to use both uBlock Origin and uMatrix? I thought uMatrix was a more explicit version of the same functionality as uBlock Origin (and written by the same guy).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by JohnTHaller »

alf-pogz wrote: post #137
rpearl wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? His donation (of public record) specifically against same sex marriage--indicated that he was not a good culture fit. People (inside and outside the organization) chose to point that out when he was promoted. This really doesn't have anything to do with user privacy in any way whatsoever--nothing about user privacy was surfaced or breached in any way. Nor is there any indication, in mozilla's extremely open sou…

The act was definitely "doxing" any way you slice it. Folks at Mozilla actively chose to find a touchy topic, and expose it to cause the "bad culture fit" argument. I'm not here to start conspiracies, I'm simply stating that the entire event left me feeling that there are some big players at Mozilla that will use ethically gray areas to achieve their goals, and the people who indulged in that gray area won and are st…

> Folks at Mozilla actively chose to find a touchy topic

That's a strange way of referring to having someone run an organization who actively works to curtail the human rights of some of his employees. And said employees and their supporters speaking out against that.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by catchmeifyoucan »

The biggest reason I use Chrome is for Casting purpose. I would have dropped Chrome a long time ago if it weren't for that. I use Safari as my primary because of the battery benefits but still have Chrome. How are the dev tools on Firefox? Not a big fan of the Safari dev tools. Chrome is also my go-to for dev stuff.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by jccalhoun »

hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

Conversely, I will never use Brave.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by manfredo »

dagenix wrote: post #150
manfredo wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There exists no universal perspective of what is harmful and what is not. In fact, the notion that prohibiting gay marriage is harmful is nowhere near as universally accepted as your comment makes it out to be. Remember, California passed Proposition 8 (the proposition to ban gay marriage) with a 52% majority in 2008. Eich's views were in line with the majority . Mozilla sent the message that the majority of Californ…

The mere fact that a lot of people believe something, doesn't make it right or just. Justice is protecting the weak and the powerless from the powerful, not voting on who has human rights and who doesn't from week to week. Also, Prop 8 was in 2008. He was appointed to the CEO position in 2014 - 6 years later. He had every opportunity to apologize. Everyone makes mistakes, even big ones. But, he refused to apologize.…

And who gets to say what protections people should and should not receive? If a company genuinely believes that pro-LGBT views are harmful, then in your framework they're equally justified to fire employees that donated in opposition to Proposition 8.

I think a lot of people forget that there's a world beyond liberal urban areas. Allowing it to become socially acceptable for companies to fire employees for their political views is also handing a tool for conservatives to suppress their employees' liberal politics.

And again, it's sending the message that the majority of Californians are not welcome at the company. It makes Mozilla hypocrites whenever they purport to support diversity or inclusion, and gives credence to the idea that Silicon Valley companies are deliberately hostile towards non-liberals.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by hirundo »

dagenix wrote: post #138
hirundo wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He did keep his mouth shut about it. Nobody at the company claims that he made any mention of his support for Prop 8. He was outed for it. And interviews with several of his openly gay employees revealed nothing but his support and empathy for them. Yes, he could have been more supportive by opposing Prop 8. He is no saint in my book. But neither is he a monster that must be removed. He's a complex person, like prett…

He wasn't outed - his donation was public. Its not like some secret conversation was recorded and then reported out of context. He didn't accidentally donate $1,000 to oppose same sex marriage. Once called out on it, he didn't apologize or drop his support of Prop 8. He made a decision and he stuck with it. And Mozilla employees also made a decision. His decision was to oppose their right to be married. Their decisio…

> his donation was public.

I think that is wrong too. Anonymous speech is important, and therefore so is anonymous support for speech. That was a lot more clear to LGBT folks before their opinions gained cultural ascendancy, when they benefited from anonymity when expressing their previously heterodox opinions. It helped them win. And there is much more winning to be done for other good causes that are still taboo.

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