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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by vortico » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:51 AM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #2

Firefox permanently broke Pentadactyl. I'm really not going to be excited about Firefox until it has something of that caliber again.

I also stopped using Firefox for that reason. I now use https://www.qutebrowser.org/. Other fantastic browsers include https://luakit.github.io/ https://fanglingsu.github.io/vimb/

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by rpearl » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:52 AM UTC

alf-pogz wrote: post #97

Mozilla as an organization makes me a bit uncomfortable. I still haven't forgotten the entire Brendan Eich fiasco. Who is to say that extremely politically motivated folks at Mozilla may consider it their duty to expose user(s) in a similar way? How can they purport to be a champion of user privacy after what they did to Brendan Eich?

What? His donation (of public record) specifically against same sex marriage--indicated that he was not a good culture fit. People (inside and outside the organization) chose to point that out when he was promoted.

This really doesn't have anything to do with user privacy in any way whatsoever--nothing about user privacy was surfaced or breached in any way. Nor is there any indication, in mozilla's extremely open source code, that Mozilla would be collecting any information like this.

So, uh, what do you mean by "in a similar way"?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by huntie » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:53 AM UTC

jasonlotito wrote: post #67

tomnipotent wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sums it up nicely. I refuse to use Firefox until they remove Pocket, it's an absolute tragedy that it was ever included by default and forced onto a user base that never asked for it.

What's your problem with them including a technology they own in their browser?

First, they didn't own Pocket when it was first integrated. Second, for years Firefox removed features like tab groups in order to make the browser easier to maintain because that functionality could be added as a plugin. Then they force everyone to use a plugin for a proprietary service? It was very hypocritical of them and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by dagenix » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:54 AM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

He was the CEO. How are Mozilla employees supposed to believe he is going to look out for them when he literally spent money to advance a cause that was harmful to some of his employees and in no way beneficial to anyone. It wasn't like he was just some dude that didn't have people management responsibilities and kept his mouth shut. The decisions he made would impact lots of peoples lives. Mozilla employees were absolutely right to demand more from someone with that power.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by mongol » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:54 AM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #103

I disagree with Brendan Eich on same-sex marriage. And I'm not neutral or ambivalent on the subject; I wholeheartedly approve of the practice. But I disapprove of the way Eich was treated for his heresy. I think that he is a fine man and a great technologist and Firefox is a poorer product due to his excommunication. So for me it isn't time to give Firefox another try. It's time to keep using Eich's far more innovati…

Good point. It was a while since I tried it. Is it doing well?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by flatline » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:54 AM UTC

atombender wrote: post #93

didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

Google's account management is infuriating! First, it almost never remembers what account you used with what service. If I do some Google Cloud stuff under my work account, I don't want Google Maps using my work account, or vice versa. The list of accounts in the upper right corner, and what's signed in/out, seems completely random and broken. The second problem is that Google's various apps are wildly inconsistent i…

For a long time you couldn’t switch between google accounts at all except via url manipulation.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by manigandham » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:55 AM UTC

atombender wrote: post #93

didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

Google's account management is infuriating! First, it almost never remembers what account you used with what service. If I do some Google Cloud stuff under my work account, I don't want Google Maps using my work account, or vice versa. The list of accounts in the upper right corner, and what's signed in/out, seems completely random and broken. The second problem is that Google's various apps are wildly inconsistent i…

> resolve the union of identities

I dont want this, it's better to be explicit with the accounts. However they are just using cookies and Chrome gives each "profile" a separate cookie container which works well and I prefer it to the mess it would be at the tab level. I have separate window profiles for work and personal and can keep everything (including passwords) completely separate.

BigQuery has a new UI built into the console: https://console.cloud.google.com/bigquery

You might need to sign up for the alpha/beta test: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf6hyfvoWZ8eUbbKWq9...

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by MBCook » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM UTC

atombender wrote: post #93

didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

Google's account management is infuriating! First, it almost never remembers what account you used with what service. If I do some Google Cloud stuff under my work account, I don't want Google Maps using my work account, or vice versa. The list of accounts in the upper right corner, and what's signed in/out, seems completely random and broken. The second problem is that Google's various apps are wildly inconsistent i…

I especially “love” how you can see the content of public groups if you’re logged in, or never logged in.

But if google knows who you are and you’re not logged in at be moment? Hidden behind login page.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by jasonkostempski » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:56 AM UTC

colordrops wrote: post #34

tyteen4a03 wrote: post #15

When it stops being a battery hog on Macs, sure. On Android the performance is comparable to Chrome, but I can never get used to some of their UXes (pressing the X button doesn't clear the address bar, instead closes it). Also no seamless page opening with Google search app (although I suspect they can't do much about this)

The X thing to close the address bar is so obviously wrong. Needs to be changed to clear it.

I've never found that confusing. Tapping the address bar opens a whole new navigate/search view. X closes that view. The most common use case is entering a new search or url, just start typing, the existing text is already selected so it will overwrite. On the off chance you want to edit the current URL, it's there. I can't think of a more streamlined workflow. Whatever you're used to is only good because you're used to it, but it's adding extra steps and/or unnecessary UI elements.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by huntie » Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 2:57 AM UTC

regecks wrote: post #8

pmoriarty wrote: post #2

Firefox permanently broke Pentadactyl. I'm really not going to be excited about Firefox until it has something of that caliber again.

Vimium has been working great for me, even since they broke Vimperator.

I used VimFX before and I'm using Vimium now. It's okay, but it works nowhere near as well as VimFX did. The biggest problem is that it doesn't work until a page has loaded. So if I open a page and while it's loading I want to open a new tab, I can't use Vimium shortcuts to do it.