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A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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In his book, The Checklist Manifesto, Gawande reports that at the end of a big checklist pilot project for the World Health Organization (IIRC), participating surgeons were surveyed. • One of the survey questions was, in essence: Would the use of checklists improve your surgical practice? Most of the surgeons responded no. This was consistent with the resistance that Gawande encountered: I don't need no stinking chec…

Just today, I was thinking the same thing, but about compile-time type checking. "You don't need it, because you're a good programmer? Great. But not everyone on your team is as wonderful as you. Do you want to be able to catch their errors at compile time?"

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I am an avid checklist user. I have a number of complex processes which are repeated monthly, quarterly or yearly. When the office is calm and I am feeling good I don't need them and find myself ticking them off having already done the stage. When I am feeling less-good, the office is noisy and I keep being interrupted the check-lists are the reason I succeed.

Yet still I find almost complete resistance to them by colleagues. They seem to think it is somehow demeaning to reduce their work to a fixed process. Perhaps it takes the mystique out of it, and gives the idea that anyone could do it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. That's such a supreme indicator of overconfidence--the belief that I and I alone am so competent that I don't need safeguards. I would not have hoped that a high percentage of surgeons have that trait. I wonder if I am guilty of it as well. Something to examine in the mirror in our future endeavors.

I like to use the term Dunning-Kruger instead of over-confidence or hubris to describe it. Everyone thinks they demonstrate above average skill. During the 2007-2009 financial crisis every single financial services firm justified their executive bonuses by claiming their personnel were above average. Very few car drivers consider themselves below average. Before germ theory gained acceptance or was even understood, p…

These are examples of illusory superiority[1], or the "Lake Wobegone effect".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

Dunning-Kruger is something more specific, that people with lower skill in an area overestimate their skill, because they are unable to distinguish competence in that area.

Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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I am an avid checklist user. I have a number of complex processes which are repeated monthly, quarterly or yearly. When the office is calm and I am feeling good I don't need them and find myself ticking them off having already done the stage. When I am feeling less-good, the office is noisy and I keep being interrupted the check-lists are the reason I succeed. Yet still I find almost complete resistance to them by co…

In some sense this makes sense in capitalism:

If you simplify your job, everybody could do it, and the salary and job security would go down.

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I am an avid checklist user. I have a number of complex processes which are repeated monthly, quarterly or yearly. When the office is calm and I am feeling good I don't need them and find myself ticking them off having already done the stage. When I am feeling less-good, the office is noisy and I keep being interrupted the check-lists are the reason I succeed. Yet still I find almost complete resistance to them by co…

Can you give some examples of the kind of complex processes you are referring to?

Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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post #12

In his book, The Checklist Manifesto, Gawande reports that at the end of a big checklist pilot project for the World Health Organization (IIRC), participating surgeons were surveyed. • One of the survey questions was, in essence: Would the use of checklists improve your surgical practice? Most of the surgeons responded no. This was consistent with the resistance that Gawande encountered: I don't need no stinking chec…

this is a very well written book and one I think of often...

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Peter Pronovost Checklist Protocol

    Checklist doctors should follow:

    1. Wash their hands with soap.
    2. Clean the patient’s skin with chlorhexidine antiseptic.
    3. Put sterile drapes over the entire patient.
    4. Wear a sterile mask, hat, gown and gloves.
    5. Put a sterile dressing over the catheter site.

Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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post #24

I am an avid checklist user. I have a number of complex processes which are repeated monthly, quarterly or yearly. When the office is calm and I am feeling good I don't need them and find myself ticking them off having already done the stage. When I am feeling less-good, the office is noisy and I keep being interrupted the check-lists are the reason I succeed. Yet still I find almost complete resistance to them by co…

In some sense this makes sense in capitalism: If you simplify your job, everybody could do it, and the salary and job security would go down.

Only if the job really could be done by anybody. Pilots use checklists for basically everything, but I don't think there's a widespread belief that the pilot could now be replaced by J. Random Passenger. The point of a checklist isn't necessarily to completely remove any thought or training from a process, but to ensure that every critical step is performed in the proper order.

Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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In his book, The Checklist Manifesto, Gawande reports that at the end of a big checklist pilot project for the World Health Organization (IIRC), participating surgeons were surveyed. • One of the survey questions was, in essence: Would the use of checklists improve your surgical practice? Most of the surgeons responded no. This was consistent with the resistance that Gawande encountered: I don't need no stinking chec…

I chalk this up more to management and not individual egos. Incentive structures configured by the vast majority of management in most organizations do not reward checklist development and more importantly checklist maintenance.

Bob: I'm developing and testing a checklist.

Management: Why is it taking sooo long!?!?? Why aren't you doing >?

Versus:

Bob: I'm selling truckloads of surgeries.

Management: W000t! My manager will be ecstatic!

There is also a free rider problem with checklist development. Lots of workplaces love to somewhat or all-out pit employees against each other. Unless the entire team is creating and maintaining the checklist, the subset of the team creating/maintaining the checklist will always over time come out looking worse on KPI's that almost invariably never measure these kinds of activities.

The subset of the team that doesn't spend the time on creating/maintaining the checklist come out looking better on KPI's over time, and the checklists increase their relative standing against their checklist-creating peers.

Fix the incentive structures, and this problem fixes itself.

Re: A Life-Saving Checklist (2007)

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I think a key element of checklists, and checklist discipline, is coordination between members of a team. What checklists allow you to do is have accountability across differences in experience/authority/expertise and also track a process over time.

In my work as a naval aviator (caveat, I'm still a student), we use checklists in the cockpit to coordinate all sorts of functions such as engine start, takeoff, landing and emergencies. These ensure that we start the engine the same way, verify we are ready for landing, and also handle emergency procedures in an approved way. When there are rank and experience differences in the cockpit these checklists help equalize the disparity, and let less experienced or junior members hold senior members accountable. Before each flight we also follow a briefing checklist, and that includes human factors such as any possible issues relating to illness/medication/stress/alcohol/fatigue/eating. Doing so ensures that there is always a place for people to vocalize anything that the team should know.

Previously I worked on a Coast Guard cutter, and we used similar checklists to ensure we were prepared to get underway, enter port, or complete a complex evolution like tow another vessel. For these checklists the main value was in verifying between multiple changes of team personnel that everything was being completed to meet the timeline. The checklist served as documentation that the person before you had collected the necessary information, made proper notifications, and started/finished processes.

It has baffled me when I hear that medical personnel dont use checklists for these exact reasons. They perform time critical, high stress procedures that have a fairly documented set of steps. They require a team of personnel that have different scopes of expertise, experience, and authority. There are frequently changes in the team's composition over the duration of the patients care, and it seems like the patient will be handed off between different teams that specialize in their own respective areas of patient care. For us in the military it is pretty easy for authority to mandate we use checklists, and the buy in come from accident investigations revealing that checklists were ignored or skipped. Is there an equivalent medical authority that can pass this information down, or does this have to emerge independently from each hospital system?

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