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Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by emodendroket »

Covzire wrote: post #20
megaman22 wrote: post #11

Microsoft has something like 125,000 employees. 100 isn't even a rounding error.

In a week or so there will be something else for the MSM to outrage everyone about, using yet another extremely one-sided angle about some other policy that started long before Nov 2016. I simply cannot watch/read mainstream news anymore, it's such a joke. You're being lied to and manipulated on a daily basis. Weekly periodicals are the last best source of any kind of non-technical information, and maybe technical to…

What aspect of this story do you feel has not been represented accurately?

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by emodendroket »

kojon99 wrote: post #14

I’m not American and I’ve always found it fascinating how a part of the American population defends the existence of illegal immigrants in American soil. It’s crazy.

Would it help if I told you that the entire American economy is built around their labor? I'd also add that this current policy affects asylum seekers (recognized by international law) and the government under Trump has also been canceling visas of legal residents and aggressively reviewing old naturalization papers to find reasons up strip people of US citizenship and deport them.

Re: Microsoft Employees Protest Work with ICE

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Post by emodendroket »

koolba wrote: post #93
i_dont_know_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're getting it very wrong; this isn't about people saying "let's just allow illegal immigrants the full rights of legal immigrants". There are some people saying that, but they're a small minority. This is about saying "some people have come here illegally. let's not psychologically torture their children for it" You can be for legal migration and the humane treatment of people at the same time.

What’s the alternative? Anyone else that commits a crime and is imprisoned is separated from their family and children. Why should illegal immigrants get a pass?

Well I guess a bare minimum would be allowing detained families to stay together as was done in the past

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Post by DmenshunlAnlsis »

downandout wrote: post #274
16bytes wrote: post #266

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Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor. Is it reasonable to separate children for a few hours to process the adults? Sure. This is what border control does before handing people over to ICE. But there are 2000 kids that ICE has separated for longer than a week (even months) and even placed in social care. You wouldn't do that if one was caught speeding, but for illegal crossings it's ok?

Speeding is an infraction (that’s a legal term). Misdemeanors are crimes punishable by up to 364 days in prison. These two things are not remotely close to one another.

For the love of god, stick to the rant in your profile.

As of May 28, 2018, after nearly 7 years and over 13K karma points, I am no longer going to be very active on HN. This used to be a place where thoughtful conversation could take place; now it's nothing more than a den of bullies attempting to spread misinformation that supports their political views.

Enjoy your echo chamber everyone.

The irony given the sheer volume of moral panic and pearl clutching around “illegals” here makes it self-parody.

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Post by sctb »

kozikow wrote: post #193
sigmar wrote: post #159

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The U.S. is actually required by law to accept and process valid refugee claims. Or do you think we should only follow laws that you like?

If you love importing whole South America into the USA why won't you just go live there? And leave people, who wouldn't be thrilled to have Pablo Escobar as their neighbour alone?

You've been breaking all sorts of guidelines in this thread, but this comment is just dreadfully uncivil. Could you please just stop posting if you can't do it civilly and thoughtfully?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by staticautomatic »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #196
staticautomatic wrote: post #36

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It's a country founded by immigrants and for much of its history it welcomed them (with some significant caveats). The assertion that America is only for people who are already here is both radical and relatively recent. That's what's crazy.

> The assertion that America is only for people who are already here is both radical and relatively recent. That's not a very accurate reading of American history. There have been many instances in America's past of anti-immigrant sentiment, and even violence. Here's a particularly good article about anti-immigrant cartoons from the early 1900s: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/racist-...

You and others who replied to my comment have rightfully pointed out that America's anti-immigration policies have primarily been rooted in racism. Granted. That said, I think you've responded to a point that is related to but different from mine. My observation is that the rhetoric around immigration has noticeably evolved from "Those people aren't allowed in" to also include "The only people who can rightfully be here are already here." The difference is subtle but real, and it has been accompanied by a lot of historical revisionism around the idea that America isn't a country of or for immigrants at all and never really was. That's simply not true, regardless of the racism issues, and I think it's a somewhat radical perspective.

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Post by downandout »

DmenshunlAnlsis wrote: post #284
downandout wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speeding is an infraction (that’s a legal term). Misdemeanors are crimes punishable by up to 364 days in prison. These two things are not remotely close to one another.

For the love of god, stick to the rant in your profile. As of May 28, 2018, after nearly 7 years and over 13K karma points, I am no longer going to be very active on HN. This used to be a place where thoughtful conversation could take place; now it's nothing more than a den of bullies attempting to spread misinformation that supports their political views. Enjoy your echo chamber everyone. The irony given the sheer v…

I actually started this this with 1 comment genuinely asking how people could possibly endorse illegal immigration. No one actually expressed any defensible position, and they still haven’t. When people reply, I need to respond to those comments.

And what I said stands. I rarely comment here anymore. I have as much right to be here as you do.

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Post by downandout »

maxerickson wrote: post #276
downandout wrote: post #272

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Are misdemeanors not crimes? The term misdemeanor simply means that it is a crime punishable by up to 364 days in prison. Further, illegal reentry is a felony, and in many of these cases, it’s reentry.

Nothing in my comment prompts your question, I don't even come close to denying that misdemeanors are crimes. My point is that bloviating about law and order when the crime is minor and the danger (in many cases) is real, is pathetic. It'd be less pathetic to make it clear that you think that babies should be taken away from mothers that have merely crossed the border away from an official port of entry.

It'd be less pathetic to make it clear that you think that babies should be taken away from mothers that have merely crossed the border away from an official port of entry.

When did I say that? I just think that mothers shouldn’t be bringing their babies to illegally enter the country in the first place.

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Post by jaredklewis »

downandout wrote: post #263
jaredklewis wrote: post #255

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> It's unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? The contents of letter state that it is a reaction to the recent news that babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent o…

babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent or other crimes of a nature that might justify the separation for the children's safety. When parents commit crimes, they are going to wind up being separated from their children. This is a consequence of breaking the law - you co…

ICE under the supervision of past administrations has been been dealing with people entering illegally (including prosecution) for more than a decade.

It has never resulted in mass separation of families until now. For example, in 2014, when large waves of immigrants fleeing violence in central America entered the US illegally and were apprehended by ICE, they were detained in family detention centers where children and parents were together.

Your suggestion that the only two choices are support for illegal immigration or support for separating babies and toddlers from families isn't supported by reality.

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Post by DmenshunlAnlsis »

downandout wrote: post #287
DmenshunlAnlsis wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the love of god, stick to the rant in your profile. As of May 28, 2018, after nearly 7 years and over 13K karma points, I am no longer going to be very active on HN. This used to be a place where thoughtful conversation could take place; now it's nothing more than a den of bullies attempting to spread misinformation that supports their political views. Enjoy your echo chamber everyone. The irony given the sheer v…

I actually started this this with 1 comment genuinely asking how people could possibly endorse illegal immigration. No one actually expressed any defensible position, and they still haven’t. When people reply, I need to respond to those comments. And what I said stands. I rarely comment here anymore. I have as much right to be here as you do.

Actually you just dodged the cogent response you received.

Because many of these people are essentially refugees fleeing violence and extreme poverty in their home countries. Instead of helping these people we're tearing them from their families.

Then you framed your reply in terms of Mexico only, which ignored places like El Salvador, although maybe that’s just more “Mexico” in your mind? Point being, you’ve gotten many good replies, you just don’t like them, which is hardly the same as them being indefensible.

You have every right to be here, but less of a right to throw a tantrum about leaving while being here. That’s just rude. It’s only right to have some respect for the platform and people who use and maintain it while you use it.

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