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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by hknd »

lovelearning wrote: post #166
ledriveby wrote: post #161

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Google gets roasted by the press no matter what it does.

They are blocking original educational content from everybody, including members of the organizations producing that content. Seems perfectly reasonable to criticize such a mistake on its own merit, independent of whatever other criticisms you are referring to.

They have to block them. Apparently these partners had >2 years time to sign their new contracts to be policy compliant with latest legal regulations around different countries.

Apparently they didn't do it, and they didn't respond to any outreaches. YT legal team _had_ to react.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by DennisP »

dotancohen wrote: post #249
cabalamat wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even a tiny fixed fee of $50 per error might be enough If the fine went to the person who uploaded the work, this would be good because it would force the filter to be robust in the face of adversarial attacks.

That would create a cottage industry of borderline-infringing works designed to trigger the filter but win in court.

I.e. they would trigger bad copyright takedowns that weren't legally justified, forcing companies to stop doing those.

If it's possible to trigger those intentionally, then it's likely that it's also happening accidentally, and this policy would make that stop.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by detaro »

barrkel wrote: post #165
avs733 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold copyright on the song "I OWN THE COPYRIGHT ON THIS SONG" You use my song in a fair use way I claim you are infringing my copyright you challenge, I fail to prove my case I lose copyright on the song and it enters the public domain.

No, that's not what's being argued will happen. I own the copyright on the song X. Person A uses the song X in a fair use way. Person B claims A is infringing. Person A challenges and wins. Then I lose my copyright, without any involvement?

Why would you lose your copyright in that case? Person B loses their (non-existent) copyright to the song. This would only fail if it'd be literally "all copyright on song X gets wiped, without looking at who owns it", which as you pointed out is obviously a non-workable interpretation of the proposal.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by c4h8o3del »

Silhouette wrote: post #183
avs733 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold copyright on the song "I OWN THE COPYRIGHT ON THIS SONG" You use my song in a fair use way I claim you are infringing my copyright you challenge, I fail to prove my case I lose copyright on the song and it enters the public domain.

Merely attempting to enforce a copyright that you legitimately hold against one instance that might be fair use, and then having a court find in a real case that it was fair use, would be enough to lose copyright of the work entirely in your view? That's so disproportionate that you might as well just abolish copyright. Also, most of the world doesn't have fair use like the US does, though many places have similar bu…

> That's so disproportionate that you might as well just abolish copyright.

Ideally that's what we would do.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by d0lph »

earenndil wrote: post #70
icebraining wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

youtube-dl is great for this, you can run it periodically against a channel and only download new videos. See the --download-archive option. Using "-f best" will fetch the highest quality format, but you can be more specific with filters like "-f best[filesize<50M]".

I thought it already fetches the highest quality by default?

It has for a while.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by ben_w »

DennisP wrote: post #252
dotancohen wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would create a cottage industry of borderline-infringing works designed to trigger the filter but win in court.

I.e. they would trigger bad copyright takedowns that weren't legally justified, forcing companies to stop doing those. If it's possible to trigger those intentionally, then it's likely that it's also happening accidentally, and this policy would make that stop.

Possibly, but machine generating edge cases for the purpose of collecting fines feels like it should also be wrong.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by DennisP »

ben_w wrote: post #256
DennisP wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I.e. they would trigger bad copyright takedowns that weren't legally justified, forcing companies to stop doing those. If it's possible to trigger those intentionally, then it's likely that it's also happening accidentally, and this policy would make that stop.

Possibly, but machine generating edge cases for the purpose of collecting fines feels like it should also be wrong .

True, but those edge cases have to convince a court made up of humans, who will probably have similar feelings. That might be a decent check on abuses.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by Silhouette »

c4h8o3del wrote: post #254
Silhouette wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Merely attempting to enforce a copyright that you legitimately hold against one instance that might be fair use, and then having a court find in a real case that it was fair use, would be enough to lose copyright of the work entirely in your view? That's so disproportionate that you might as well just abolish copyright. Also, most of the world doesn't have fair use like the US does, though many places have similar bu…

> That's so disproportionate that you might as well just abolish copyright. Ideally that's what we would do.

Maybe one day we will, but first someone had better come up with another economic model that demonstrably supports creation and distribution of new works anything like as effectively as copyright has. There are a few ideas with potential, mostly in specific niches, but no-one has come anywhere close to reaching that goal in the general case yet.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by natch »

hknd wrote: post #250
scroogly wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hijack the thread slightly, but is only to introduce some visibility to the fact that this particular issue is nothing to do with the EU, or content ID, or anything like that. Google is blackmailing the Blender foundation to try and get them to enable adverts. https://www.blender.org/media-exposure/youtube-blocks-blende... edit - and Blender have now got https://video.blender.org/ in testing already. I didn'…

Apparently Blender had more than 2 years to sign an updated contract - a contract which every partner had to sign to comply with updated legal regulations. Their existing contract would not work anymore (legal reasons?). The Blender team never did that, and also never reacted to any youtube support mails.

That doesn't map onto the Blender account of what happened.

They said YouTube was requiring them to enable ads, but the ads checkbox was grayed out. Among other issues. Not that they wanted to enable ads on a not for profit site. But just taking this one issue, it's not clear how they could have possibly complied with Google's requirement, when Google keeps the checkbox UI element grayed out and unchangeable.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by krageon »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #221
chii wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not convinced that people opting for such videos would have bought the game if the walkthroughs were not available. also, if the game has nothing else to offer when compared to a video playthrough, may be it's the game that has the problem!

Not necessarily. Story-rich games are essentially one-time only experiences, even if they are very fun to play through.

Just like a good book, a good story-rich game invites you to experience it more than once. Even if it is just to notice nuances you missed the first time.
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