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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

#131
Honestly, I think it might be better if these old news companies die off, and clear space for a newer generation that understands the internet better. We have 20 years years of anecdata now.

The old news publishers will never make it online. They see their financials problems as being cause by a moral failing in society: "People do not value quality, and won't pay for it" or somesuch. They see the solutions as legalistic. Some law or industry association which will guarantee them an income.

Meanwhile, on their own sites... They run one small square of content, overlaid and surrounded by loud, flashing ads. They plug in every last bit of ad-spy software available. They run fake news, via their "native content" widgets selling scams using blatant lies on literally fake news articles. Kettle, meet Pot.

The only solutions they can think of are legalistic. An industry association that can stand up to google and demand money. A law that guarantees someone (anyone) pays them.

There's no vision. The few, moderate paywall success stories are considered revolutionary. What does this add up to? Eveyone picks a newspaper or two, subscribes and reads just them? Have you not noticed how the internet works?

Meanwhile, at least 50% of any broadsheet is straight plagiarism. Plagiarism is normal in news media. Does a paper pay another paper when they report on a report? Does twitter (or trump) get paid when your front page is an article about a tweet? Kettle, remember Pot from before?

I really think there's no hope. Most of these dinos aren't going to make it. Don't let them break the internet on their way out.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

#132

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I think that Article 11 will backfire. What if Google decides to remove all publishers from search results to avoid having to pay a fee? Their traffic will tank.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #107

As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…

Retaining the "piece"... WW2 ended in 1945. The EU came into being in 1993. Was it retaining it in previous guises as a trade federation - the EEC, and before that the European Coal and Steel Community?

Or are you thinking of NATO?

> The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss.

In what context?

"I don't have to show my passport on holidays - yay!"

or

"people can drive from a ghetto on the outskirts of Brussels with a trunkload of Kalashnikov's, spray bullets at Paris cafe society, and immediately afterwards they can be traced to.....er dunno..."

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #107

As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…

I'm sorry but this is just not a credible story. The current day EU simply did not exist for most of Post-WW, so it can absolutely not have been a reason why there was no war.

I am in favor of things like free movement of goods and services. I also in favor working together on things like European Space Agency.

However these sudo-democratic want-be centralized state is totally against the history of European has already caused a endless serious of disaster and mismanagement.

It is this form a bureaucratic technocratic center state that is primarily responsible for the nationalistic backlash we are seeing.

I am really happy that I live in Switzerland and we managed to avoid actually being in the EU even while being pretty tightly integrated.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #26
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can take example of any of the other thousands of false postive copyright takedowns happening across YouTube. Android Play Store too.

Sure. But not that one.

You have a point there.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

> Second it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is try to hurt US tech companies I totally understand what you are saying, but on the other hand: maybe a lot of US tech companies do unethical/bad things? Antitrust cases must be based on something, so it's not just tariff on tech company products, it's more like a fine for bad behaviour.

> Antitrust cases must be based on something

A study of the history of Antitrust would abuse of of that naive thinking.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #128
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the UK. Conservative MEP did as you said, Labour one sent a bit of a boilerplate that they are considering it, UKIP are of course against it but thats par for the course with them, the green one sent a detailed response and is voting against both art 11 and 13 (the ones I raised issue with).

Hate them as most people in the UK do (I've never voted for them and wouldn't either), UKIP already resolved this (in a far more permanent way than the greens) by ensuring EU law does not apply to the UK in future.

Well that's completely false. We'll still be abiding by EU laws long after we leave. By 'most people', I'm assuming you mean the 30% who actually voted to leave?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

Another thing is that the media are licensed, so they cannot go against the government out of fear of losing such license. Now, one could assume that this copyright thing is a smokescreen to introduce EU wide censorship as everything users upload would have to be checked for "copyright breach".

Which media is "licensed" and thus can not go against the government?
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