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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by laumars » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:19 PM UTC

sqdbps wrote: post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

> Second it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is try to hurt US tech companies

These are European laws designed to regulate industry inside the EU. If an American company decides to do business in the EU they're subject to the same rules as any business already operating inside the EU. So claiming this is designed to hurt US tech companies is quite a reach. If you feel American tech companies are being hit harder than their EU counterparts then perhaps that is because those American tech companies were attempting to game the system to begin with - in which case the EU is right to regulate their European operations.

It's really no different to how goods manufactured outside of the US still have to adhere to American safety regulations if they want to get sold inside the US.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ericdykstra » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:21 PM UTC

> it requires online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content.

This is such ridiculous government overreach. Forcing people to create a business transaction that neither party wants?? The EU was a mistake.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by lasermike026 » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:21 PM UTC

We are not progressing as a world society. The world is retreating. This is why people of conscience and ethics must double our effects to secure freedom for every person in the world.

I condemn this legislation by the European parliament.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by pmlnr » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

I remember the Internet Blackout Day in 2012, to stop SOPA/PIPA.

I'm all in to organize something similar this time as well. The suggested replace snippets and linked titles with [censored by the EU] could work quite well, but it all needs coordination, and big players, like Wikipedia, Google, Twitter.

Please, if you're in a position at large traffic sites, consider doing a campaign.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by pmlnr » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

glook wrote: post #62

Vint Cerf AND Tim Berners-Lee declare it "an imminent threat to the future of the Internet." Then Cory Doctorow calls it foolish. This feels like a no-brainer for opposition.

Those voices don't seem to reach MEPs.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by timrichard » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

t0mislav wrote: post #89

josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

>> Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. >What the fucking FUCK? This does not surprise me! If your site has for example 5 article titles from CNN, linking all of them to original CNN articles, probably you have more benefit from that than CNN. People this days like to skim through titles and not even bothering to read full articles, to c…

So here the BBC derives benefit, but doesn't fall under the regulations if there aren't clickable links?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs/the_papers

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by lbarrow » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

sqdbps wrote: post #33

A Couple of things: Mainstream news outlets on this side of the atlantic didn't do much reporting on this vote which might signal tacit support on their part (at least for the link payment portion of this thing which is frankly the sillies part) and that should shape everyone's understanding of their coverage of tech companies in general. Second, it's hard not to notice that much of what the EU does is trying to hurt…

I don't think this is accurate - GDPR, for example, mostly cements the continued dominance of the tech giants.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by sparkling » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:28 PM UTC

leifg wrote: post #107

As a EU citizen I have always been (and still am) a strong advocate for the European Union. I think the founding of the European Union was one of the greatest things that could ever happen to European citizens. I full heartedly believe this institution played a major role in retaining the piece after World War 2. The concept of open borders in (most of) Europe is something I would never want to miss. But seeing the l…

The EU needs a full "rewrite". The levels or bureaucratic nonsense are unbelievable. Just the sheer number of laws and regulations being pumped out every year is crazy.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by raverbashing » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:28 PM UTC

Filligree wrote: post #103

raverbashing wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's just not link, it's show a snippet (and potentially a title) (or you can link and replace every snippet with 'censored by the EU' or something - might be a good strategy for raising awareness)

Showing the snippet makes people more likely to click through, not less. If you aren't a copyright maximalist, how is that not good for both aggregator and news site? A better question is whether it's good for the user. Filter bubble, and all.

> Showing the snippet makes people more likely to click through, not less. If you aren't a copyright maximalist, how is that not good for both aggregator and news site?

Exactly. But publishers still think they're in the 20th century

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by dtf » Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 1:29 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #101

mrleiter wrote: post #12

It was approved on in a committee of the European parliament (for legal matters), which means that now they will enter negotiations with the European Council and then after some time and processes laid out in Art. 293ff TFEU, it will be debated in the European Parliament at some point. So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. EDIT: For more info: http://www.europarl.eu…

Is there a list of who voted and how available anywhere?

"It will be available once the minutes for the meeting have been compiled in the days to come." (from @EP_Legal)

https://twitter.com/EP_Legal/status/1009418817393577985