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European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by izacus »

Jabbles wrote: post #8
izacus wrote: post #2

This bill pretty much demands that YouTube Content ID like systems are introduced across the web. With the wording, it's better for the site to delete more content on false positives than risk false negatives. All in the name of mighty copyright. Side effects of these false/negative averse copyright takedown systems can be easily seen on YouTube: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17338700

An update to the original article you linked says that the issue was not with Content ID, but is "related to its updated partner agreements."

You can take example of any of the other thousands of false postive copyright takedowns happening across YouTube. Android Play Store too.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by alfredallan1 »

raverbashing wrote: post #13
josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

So does this mean *this HN post is illegal because it links to a news article?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by saintPirelli »

bogle wrote: post #6

It's really not very clear what the outcome of this is going to be although it doesn't look good. So "internet platforms" are going to filter all the content we post? Seeing as this isn't going to work properly what is the point of setting it down as a law? Someone's going to end up in court and only then are we going to know exactly how bad it is.

I wonder if this can be interpreted as a future edge for distributed platforms like mastodon, where you might not find "the responsible person/company" right away?

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by sebst »

raverbashing wrote: post #13
josteink wrote: post #10

This is what happens when those in control don't understand, know or care about the things they regulate. So I guess this is bad. --goes and reads article-- > Article 11, requiring online platforms to pay publishers a fee if they link to their news content, was also approved. What the fucking FUCK? Pay to send companies actual traffic? Pay to be allowed to use the basic building-block of the world wide web on the wor…

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

False. They will shoot themselves in the foot, yes. But at least in Germany, Google is the only entity which was granted a free "licence" by the collecting society.

This puts Google in a better place than any other news aggregator.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Jabbles »

izacus wrote: post #21
Jabbles wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An update to the original article you linked says that the issue was not with Content ID, but is "related to its updated partner agreements."

You can take example of any of the other thousands of false postive copyright takedowns happening across YouTube. Android Play Store too.

Sure. But not that one.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by Silhouette »

mrleiter wrote: post #12

It was approved on in a committee of the European parliament (for legal matters), which means that now they will enter negotiations with the European Council and then after some time and processes laid out in Art. 293ff TFEU, it will be debated in the European Parliament at some point. So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy. EDIT: For more info: http://www.europarl.eu…

So yes, there is still plenty of room and time to discuss this rather unfortunate policy.

But not that much time. The main European Parliament vote is due in July.

For those of you in the EU, now is probably a good time to be writing to your MEPs.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by daveid »

saintPirelli wrote: post #23
bogle wrote: post #6

It's really not very clear what the outcome of this is going to be although it doesn't look good. So "internet platforms" are going to filter all the content we post? Seeing as this isn't going to work properly what is the point of setting it down as a law? Someone's going to end up in court and only then are we going to know exactly how bad it is.

I wonder if this can be interpreted as a future edge for distributed platforms like mastodon, where you might not find "the responsible person/company" right away?

I'm seeing the opposite, as independent platforms like Mastodon won't be able to implement content ID they won't be complying with this new law, which means it'll potentially become legally dangerous to run Mastodon within the EU. It's like the EU parliament is bent on giving all the cards to Google and Facebook and shutting down European competition...

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by teamhappy »

Here's the final document: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

Searching for "article 11" (the link one) and "article 13" (the filter one) will help you find the relevant paragraphs. They're both very short and fairly easy to understand.

Re: European parliament committee approves vote on ‘disastrous’ copyright bill

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Post by ernesth »

alfredallan1 wrote: post #22
raverbashing wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too worried about this one. This will just mean platforms will not link to publishers. EVER It already failed in Spain and Germany, they will just shoot themselves in the foot again.

So does this mean *this HN post is illegal because it links to a news article?

No. According to the so called link-tax article, it is not linking but putting content that makes a platform liable.

So this HN post would not be illegal because of the link, but maybe because of the title that was "stolen" from the publisher. The aim is at news.google.com and other search engines and news aggregators that include a blurb coming from the article along the link. To be honest, it is not yet clear if they intend for the title to be taxed or not.

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