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Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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Singapore's public transit system is run as a for profit (two competing companies, in fact), and it's one of the best and cheapest in the world.

That is an outlier. Almost all public transportation systems runs on deficit.

Maybe we should learn from them.

Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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Singapore's public transit system is run as a for profit (two competing companies, in fact), and it's one of the best and cheapest in the world.

It's operated by two for-profit companies, but the government paid the massive bill for the construction, sets the fares and even owns the rolling stock (trains) now: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/government-... ...and of course, this being Singapore, the companies in question (SMRT Corp and SBS Transit) are themselves largely owned by various government entities (Temasek etc).

They are, however, responsible for upkeep and maintenance.

Comfortdelgro is not largely owned by the Singapore sovereign wealth fund, and I personally like its lines a bit better than the smrt lines.

Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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That is an outlier. Almost all public transportation systems runs on deficit.

Maybe we should learn from them.

There may be lessons to learn, but profitability in state supported railways-metro (publicly owned or privately operated but government subsidized) is almost impossible. Singapore is a tiny place and property prices are astronomical. Singapore Metro earns money from property rentals (some state coercion helps too). This does not work for most cities in the world.

Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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> They are absolutely 100% disruptive (even more so if you're a woman and safety is important to you). Ah, I thought things like "God mode", Boobr, and doxxing critics felt creepy and unsafe. But that's just me, and I'm not a woman. > There's a reason drivers drive for these services. Sure. We like to call those predatory financing and exaggerated claims about compensation. Your buzzword laden defense of Uber misses…

> Ah, I thought things like "God mode", Boobr, and doxxing critics felt creepy and unsafe. But that's just me, and I'm not a woman. Have you talked to actual women? Ask them if they feel safer in an Uber, in a Taxi or in BART. Seriously go try this experiment. Assuming you're in the Bay Area, ask 10 of your closest female friends. Also remember that Uber is just one ride sharing company. > Sure. We like to call those…

> Have you talked to actual women? Ask them if they feel safer in an Uber, in a Taxi or in BART. Seriously go try this experiment. Assuming you're in the Bay Area, ask 10 of your closest female friends.

I am in the Bay Area, and the biggest proponent of taxis over Uber that I know is female. The only woman I know that uses Uber does so because her boyfriend is a code monkey at Uber and so they'd get a few rides for free each month.

Of my friends that use "ride sharing" apps, they almost all use Lyft exclusively because they find Uber so reprehensible. I also see plenty of vehicles signed for Lyft alone or Lyft + Uber, but almost never see Uber only vehicles.

As a woman how do you feel about Uber fighting background checks tooth and nail?

Or how about this?

http://time.com/5023287/uber-threatened-journalist-sarah-lac...

Or this?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/technology/uber-india-rap...

Or this?

http://www.newsweek.com/uber-and-lyft-drivers-accused-more-1...

And, really, Kalanick using Uber for sex (a.k.a. Boober) doesn't bother you in the slightest? Good for you then.

> People are not stupid. If it was a raw deal for them then they'll jump ship

https://www.recode.net/2017/2/28/14766964/video-uber-travis-...

So this guy is an idiot then? How exactly do you get out of an auto loan that you're now underwater on because Uber decided to turn the screws on you?

> I think you forget that the OP that prompted my response

I am the author of the comment you replied to. I'm happy to be convinced but marketing doublespeak like "engineering excellence" isn't convincing in any manner. Uber develops an app and spends a ton on marketing. Beyond that Uber externalizes almost all of its costs. That's trivial to scale compared to actually scaling a transit company that has to invest in infrastructure.

Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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Uber doesn't really set prices. Supply and demand does.

By that logic, no one sets prices for anything - Coca-Cola doesn't set a price of a can of coke, the law of supply and demand does.

That's correct. Supply and demand does set the price of coke.

Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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You know Uber builds it's own mapping services right? And in fact, the guy who helped lead those efforts is the guy responsible for creating Google Earth which later formed the basis for Google's entire mapping efforts (which he led). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_McClendon He's a great guy by the way, in addition to being super smart. Your others points are not well thought through at all - I urge you to spend…

>You know Uber builds it's own mapping services right? And in fact, the guy who helped lead those efforts is the guy responsible for creating Google Earth which later formed the basis for Google's entire mapping efforts (which he led). Yeah, but when I get into a car it's not Uber Maps on the phone, it's Google Maps. So I'm not very concerned about a guy who worked at Uber for less than two years. >He's a great guy b…

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Re: Uber is experimenting with letting riders wait longer for a cheaper fare

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It's rare that I see anyone bring up the pollution induced by Uber's (and Lyft's) business models. Now there's something I'd like to see studied more intensely.

I don't remember where but I heard that just manufacturing a car cause more pollution than it's entire lifetime on the road. If Uber prevents people from buying cars then Uber may actually be environmentally friendly.

Well then you'd need to balance that against all the new cars that Uber and Lyft drivers lease to support themselves. Cars that might have sat rusting on the lot while reasonable consumers chose to buy more affordable pre-owned vehicles.

Creating a market for new cars only ensures that new cars will continue to be produced in high volume.

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