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Asylum is not entering the country illegally, it has a legal process. It is not a non-sequitur, it is the topic under discussion.
And asylum is done at a port of entry, not sneaking through the desert.
You may apply for asylum regardless of how you entered or your current status.
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So at what point do they become an illegal immigrant? That is an official term used by the US government. I suspect it would be very difficult to determine how long an "undocumented" has been in the country before asking asylum. Is it if they don't show up for their hearings? Is there any reason an alien immigrant would not claim asylum when caught? Please forgive my ignorance on the nuances of immigration law, I've…
I don't know if "illegal immigrant" is well-defined enough to come up with a clear rule. Someone who is not eligible to request asylum could definitively be called an illegal immigrant. Treaties signed and ratified by the US (which have the force of law in the US) require that refugees not be punished for unauthorized entry or presence if they present themselves to the authorities and request asylum, so they would de…
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/u...
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It’s unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? I’m all for legal immigration. I guess I just don’t understand all the support for illegal immigration. Edit: based on the downvotes, there must be some kind of benefit to the US arising from illegal immigration that I’m missing. Could one of you that downvoted this p…
> It's unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? The contents of letter state that it is a reaction to the recent news that babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent o…
When parents commit crimes, they are going to wind up being separated from their children. This is a consequence of breaking the law - you commit a crime, and then you go to jail. Your children can’t be with you in jail, so you get separated. The evidence that they have committed a crime in the case of illegal entry is by default - they couldn’t be arrested by the US border patrol unless they violated the law, because the US border patrol doesn’t arrest people in Mexico, they arrest them in the US.
So, in order to support these parents not being separated from their children, you have to support not prosecuting people for illegally entering the country. That, by definition, means you have to be in favor of illegal immigration.
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How is it a "great idea" to protest enforcement of our own laws?
The child-parent separation that is happening is not a law. It is a new policy by the Trump administration to separate all unauthorized entries into the country as a deterrent to illegal immigration. It is not an Obama-era policy. It is not a Clinton-era policy. It is not a law from any administration. Even if it were a law, there is exactly nothing wrong with disagreeing with cruel and unusual behavior, even if it i…
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> It's unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? The contents of letter state that it is a reaction to the recent news that babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent o…
babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent or other crimes of a nature that might justify the separation for the children's safety. When parents commit crimes, they are going to wind up being separated from their children. This is a consequence of breaking the law - you co…
But why would the "greatest" country in the world use any nuance when dealing with vulnerable people, right, nuance is for rich people and their powerful lawyers, not for people fleeing death.
I dare you to be specific when you make your arguments about law and order. Own the specifics. Proper procedure is a very important part of seeking asylum and all that. Don't hide behind words like "commit crimes" and "violated the law", actually say "misdemeanor border crossing".
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> It's unethical to require people from other countries that want to enter the US to follow certain, well established, legal protocols before they enter? The contents of letter state that it is a reaction to the recent news that babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent o…
babies and toddlers of immigrants crossing the border illegally are being separated from their parents in the hundreds. We have no evidence that these parents have been charged with violent or other crimes of a nature that might justify the separation for the children's safety. When parents commit crimes, they are going to wind up being separated from their children. This is a consequence of breaking the law - you co…
But there are 2000 kids that ICE has separated for longer than a week (even months) and even placed in social care.
You wouldn't do that if one was caught speeding, but for illegal crossings it's ok?
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It's a bit more nuanced. There are massive loopholes in the current asylum process that create a favorable outcome from anyone who tries. The current backlog is 600,000 cases. You have to wait until your case is heard to determine credible threat to life or whatever your claim is. Till then many disappear into society and are never seen again. Also 83% of kids didn't arrive at the border with their parents to begin w…
Here[0]. Prior to FY 2017, there were 46 cases. Since then, there have been...191 cases. This is out of 31K or so. The 3x of fraudulent cases increase sounds like a rounding error to me and is probably not indicative of a trend. Instead, the admin highlighting it is playing with statistics. [0] http://www.businessinsider.com/zero-tolerance-why-trump-sepa...
The remaining 2000 are held for at most 20 days during which time an arrangement is made to have them stay with a family member or other caregiver.
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I've done everything from washing dishes, waiting tables, managing 2 coffee shops, landscape work, data entry, to my current work as a mobile developer. And I know where you're going with this, and no I've never had trouble finding work when I needed it.
What if I told you the presence of undocumented immigrants might have depressed your earnings as a dishwasher. No hard feelings still? PS. I know, I am assigning a stereotypical job to an undocumented immigrant.
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It's not the fault of illegal immigrants that American companies are willing to hire them.
You want to let people in here illegally and once they are here you want to starve them and their kids? That is crueler than any detention. Also, it is not always corporations that are hiring people. I have a gardener who comes to my house with assistants, some people told me his assistants are undocumented. Am I supposed to racially profile people and ask for their immigration papers? Sounds racist to me. The most h…
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If someone wants to do my job better than me for the same or less money, they're welcome to it.
If you went to America, legally, got a work visa etc and got a job, then lost that job to someone who sneeked in across the border or overstayed a visitor visa, you would welcome it?
I would then try to improve myself and get a job where I cannot be easily replaced by someone who likely doesn't even speak the local language.