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The Machine Fired Me

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Re: The Machine Fired Me

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post #93

Remarkably similar to the 1981 Timothy Zahn story "Job Inaction".

Now I want to see a story that takes the "lost in the company" myth to farcical extremes, with an entire legion of stormtroopers having to fend for themselves in a remote corner of a Superduper Star Destroyer.

That sounds very Warhammer 40k

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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post #190
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a contract is not employment. A contractor has less protections than an employee. It's both good and bad, but typically a contractor gets a higher rate than an employee since health insurance, etc is not provided.

To clarify, I find it incredulous that a 3 year contract requiring full-time, on-site, business hour presence wouldn't legally require a company to treat that person as a full-time employee with benefits.

So a staffing company may fly people in for the week and then fly them home on the weekends, especially for desperately needed skills.

The problem is that not everyone wants to live in Detroit, KC, LA, Chicago, say. So instead they fly back and forth.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

#203
post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would HR IT have worse software developers than other industries?

Because HR in general has worse employees than other disciplines? Seriously, in my 20+ year career, I've run across very few legitimately talented people in HR. The department seems to attract the kind of people who have little to offer intrinsically; who happen to be willing to facilitate the necessary protocols, as minimally effective as possible, while claiming "people skills" that end up being little more than of…

In my experience HR isn't filled with "bad" employees per say, it's filled just with bureaucrats. They care more about following policy to the letter just to do it rather than actually thoughtfully applying policy which generally involves following the spirit of the law by bending rules rather than the letter of the law.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Many companies have a similar system where you have to renew contractors on a monthly basis. A similar thing happened at a company I was working for, where the manager was away on sick leave and the system didn’t copy anyone else in to the ever escalating emails. With no one confirming the contractor should stay the system kicked in. The contractor’s accounts were deleted, without him knowing anything about it. It wasted a few days to set everything back up again. Luckily security never got involved. The least such a system should do is contact the contractor directly before taking action, so they have a chance to involve a human.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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post #161

This is literally an episode of Better Off Ted.[1] In it, the titular Ted is inadvertenly deleted from the company system when trying to correct a misspelling of his last name. Eventually, he is forced to interview for his own job as the system had already put out an ad for his replacement. I think the most striking part of it, and of the true story from the post, is the human factor - the idea that the humans involv…

We are already there - "Death by GPS" is a concept today: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/05/death-by-gps/?amp=1

Re: The Machine Fired Me

#206
post #44

I have a story in a similar vein, although a much less scary one. In that instance, The Machine Cleaned Out My Desk. I had a cubicle at the company HQ, but was for some period of time working from home in another state. I still kept quite a few things in the cubicle (notebooks, mugs, etc), which I used when I was in the area. When I finally came back, I noticed, after a month or two, that my office number has not bee…

> automating even the simplest procedures can be very tricky

automating business processes is actually a similar activity to doing programming!

When it's done competently, the business runs smoother. But if there are bugs (and as anyone who programs knows, there are always bugs), things go wrong. And yet, people who know not anything about complex systems design attempt to write up business requirements for such automation are numourus.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I resigned effective the 2nd of a month, and the promo was effective the 1st of the month. See above "resignation (slated to be effective after the promo)". So the resignation was scheduled for the day after the promo. I actually stayed an extra week to receive the promo.

Your story is inconsistent? > I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective If I get sick before my insurance is effective...I don't get my coverage. If I resign before my raise is effective...I don't get my raise.

If you cancel the insurance effective from next month, you have coverage until the cancellation date.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

#208
post #35

I was misatakenly caught in an automated ban wave in World of Warcraft for "botting" just a couple months after joining, but as soon as a human reviewed my account I was reinstated immediately. The automated system flagged my account a second time a few weeks later, and when I appealed they simply said that although they didn't see any evidence of rule-breaking behavior, nobody got caught by the automated system twic…

Simple explanation: they did in fact see what you were doing and just didn't want to tell you because they don't want to teach cheaters how to evade bans. They were hoping after the first review that you would start playing by the rules.

Well I wasn't cheating in any way, just using the auction house/trade chat much more than a typical new account because most of my MMO experience was in EVE online and I like the "economic PVP" of cornering markets and flipping for a profit.

Some cursory research told me that new accounts with a lot of market activity were a "red flag" for the automated system due to similarity with bots that created new accounts to evade bans, which I guess makes sense. Of course this is the internet and you have no particular reason to believe I was or wasn't cheating on World of Warcraft, but for what it's worth this HN account is linked to my real identity and if I were cheating all the time I would know better than to brag about it or even obliquely reference it in my posting here.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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post #45

> I missed 3 weeks of pay because no one could stop the machine. Why has this company not made their loyal worker whole? He stayed there when they needed him even when their system was trying to lock him out. They need to fix this. If they don't, they are not a company anyone should work for. Perhaps the worker did not want to risk making a big stink, but a manager should have taken the initiative. Humans were involv…

I agree. It's a theme I run across in many US-worker situations we read about on HN. There is such a lack of basic rights, but also basic norms when relating to workers.

Ethical behaviour, from my perspective, would be to compensate the employee, regardsless of his legal rights. In a more worker-central system, the worker should have easy recourse to an official judgement for his money.

In the Netherlands there is even a concept of culpability in laws regarding firing. Mess up too much, and the employer will have to pay a premium on the disengagement fee. And while our economy is moving towards a lot more 'sole employee contractors' with less worker-rights, you still have rights and a way to affordably enforce them. For them (only) basic contract law holds. That would probably mean paying the full 3 years in this context. A contract _is_ a contract.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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post #25
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is interesting. On the one hand, you have been promoted to a new role, so you have reached a compatible level of expertise. You can put that role on your resume and sell yourself. On the other hand, you never, ever actually performed in that role, with the new responsibilities. How can you list that on your resume ! I am not sure what is the right answer here... but as your new employer I would take your last pr…

There is a very clear right answer here provided you consider promotion from a clean point of view. A promotion is a _recognition_ that you are _already_ operating at a given level. It's an acknowledgement by TPTB that you deserve a given title. Anything less than this leads to a result where you may not actually be performing at the level the new title requires, which means you could conceivably be promoted and imme…

> promoted and immediately fail to meet expectations in the new role.

aka the peter principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle)

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