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Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by anoncoward111 »

dgzl wrote: post #30
Alex3917 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how many state has to legalize it before the federal government in USA is forced to change their classification. It's already arguably legal under federal law under the equal protection clause because congress legalized it in DC. As far as I know the feds aren't locking anyone up for possession of small amounts. E.g.: https://novacriminalattorney.com/marijuana/marijuana-legaliz...

I would argue that the 10 amendment in the Bill of Rights is all that a person would need to nullify gross overreaches of power by the federal government.

In practice your assets will be civily forfeited, you'll be held in pre-trial detention (prison) for months, and then every lawyer will laugh you out of the room when you tell him you want to do a constitutional defense.

"Just take the plea, I can get them down to 2 years. Otherwise youre facing 9 to 20 years."

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by wux »

hosh wrote: post #25
mabbo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn't been true since 1982. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982 Edit with more details: in the early 80s, Trudeau senior got the British government and Queen out of the way to changes in Canadian law. We choose our own Governor general who has the authority to give Royal assent to any laws we pass without involvement of anyone in England. Our current G.G. is Julie Payette, a former astronaut.

Yeah, I was puzzling over that earlier about yhat and was confused. Does that mean that, up until the 80s, the British government were still involved with Canadian lawmaking? Did that mean Canada was a constitutional monarchy? Still is?

Before 1931, the so-called Imperial Parliament had the power to legislate for Canada, and any legislation they passed had supremacy over colonial legislation under the Colonial Laws Validity Act, 1865.

Between 1931 and 1982, the UK Parliament had the power to legislate for Canada only with the request and consent of the Canadian government. This arrangement was codified in the Statute of Westminster 1931.

In 1982, on the request and consent of the Canadian government, the UK Parliament removed its own power to legislate for Canada by passing the Canada Act 1982 (UK), which enacted the Constitution Act, 1982.

Canada remains a constitutional monarchy. The monarch of Canada is constitutionally required to be the same physical person as the monarch of the United Kingdom, but they are distinct legal persons (as is the monarch of each province).

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by anoncoward111 »

charlex815 wrote: post #11
fein wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people aren't really the ones making the decision. Here in Ohio, for example, we didn't have a vote on recreational, instead we had a vote on a government sanctioned monopoly possibly leading the way to recreational. If there was some sort of state issue that could be voted on which was "regulate it like we do garden tomatoes", it would pass. Leadership has prevented this, not your cartoon idea of the oh so ignor…

Politicians are more often mirrors of society than agents of change. Demand change from them, they aren't reading Hacker News. If they refuse change, campaign against them.

>campaign against them

And then suddenly when the death threats and FBI audits and etc start showing up in your life, and you lose the campaign anyway, you'll say to yourself, "shit, this isn't a democracy we're living in, this is just a mafia state."

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by mixmastamyk »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #5
itchyjunk wrote: post #2

I wonder how many state has to legalize it before the federal government in USA is forced to change their classification. It seems like more and more state will legalize it over time anyways.

I’m not sure on the answer, but I definitely want to make sure you don’t think Canada is a state in the US ;)

State is often a synonym of country.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by Sytten »

hosh wrote: post #25
mabbo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hasn't been true since 1982. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982 Edit with more details: in the early 80s, Trudeau senior got the British government and Queen out of the way to changes in Canadian law. We choose our own Governor general who has the authority to give Royal assent to any laws we pass without involvement of anyone in England. Our current G.G. is Julie Payette, a former astronaut.

Yeah, I was puzzling over that earlier about yhat and was confused. Does that mean that, up until the 80s, the British government were still involved with Canadian lawmaking? Did that mean Canada was a constitutional monarchy? Still is?

To add to the previous answer, we are technically still under the queen's authority so you could say that we are a constitutional monarchy, but it's all symbolic. Anything else would create public outcry. I personally think we should move out of this system, but it is hard to change a constitution specially since one of them still has not signed it...

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by nzealand »

ilyanep wrote: post #20
Alex3917 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder how many state has to legalize it before the federal government in USA is forced to change their classification. It's already arguably legal under federal law under the equal protection clause because congress legalized it in DC. As far as I know the feds aren't locking anyone up for possession of small amounts. E.g.: https://novacriminalattorney.com/marijuana/marijuana-legaliz...

Am I missing something or is your link making the exact opposite point that you made?

You are not missing anything. The link does make the exact opposite point: "you will not be able to argue that you should be protected by the Constitution."

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by gm-conspiracy »

itchyjunk wrote: post #2

I wonder how many state has to legalize it before the federal government in USA is forced to change their classification. It seems like more and more state will legalize it over time anyways.

Once the states make enough revenue from the recreational sales to out-lobby the pharmaceutical companies and their IP monies.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by koverda »

anoncoward111 wrote: post #33
charlex815 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Politicians are more often mirrors of society than agents of change. Demand change from them, they aren't reading Hacker News. If they refuse change, campaign against them.

>campaign against them And then suddenly when the death threats and FBI audits and etc start showing up in your life, and you lose the campaign anyway, you'll say to yourself, "shit, this isn't a democracy we're living in, this is just a mafia state."

Tinfoil hats are this way.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by gm-conspiracy »

fein wrote: post #4
KempFood wrote: post #3

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Maybe in another 40 years. People aren’t smart, they are as dumb as nails. Sad!

The people aren't really the ones making the decision. Here in Ohio, for example, we didn't have a vote on recreational, instead we had a vote on a government sanctioned monopoly possibly leading the way to recreational. If there was some sort of state issue that could be voted on which was "regulate it like we do garden tomatoes", it would pass. Leadership has prevented this, not your cartoon idea of the oh so ignor…

Monopoly, really?

One single corporation was going to control the whole cabal?

You are misrepresenting facts.

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