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The Machine Fired Me

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Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by drewg123 »

realo wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #11

I had a somewhat similar, but much less serious experience at Google. I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective. Much to my surprise, the resignation (slated to be effective after the promo) somehow cancelled the promo via some automated system. However, a promo at Google is a huge deal. I really wanted the promotion to go through, so that I would have that level…

This is interesting. On the one hand, you have been promoted to a new role, so you have reached a compatible level of expertise. You can put that role on your resume and sell yourself. On the other hand, you never, ever actually performed in that role, with the new responsibilities. How can you list that on your resume ! I am not sure what is the right answer here... but as your new employer I would take your last pr…

At least at Google, the whole point of a promo is that you've been working at the new level for some time before the promo cycle. And the new employer was not really in the equation, I'd already received my offer from them.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by VRay »

drewg123 wrote: post #11

I had a somewhat similar, but much less serious experience at Google. I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective. Much to my surprise, the resignation (slated to be effective after the promo) somehow cancelled the promo via some automated system. However, a promo at Google is a huge deal. I really wanted the promotion to go through, so that I would have that level…

You need to stand up, stretch, and look really carefully at the world at large and your place in it. Getting a promotion at Google isn't actually a big deal at all, man. You went from generating $2M and being paid $225k of it to generating $2M and being paid $250k, plus you get an extra word in your title

https://csimarket.com/stocks/GOOG-Revenue-per-Employee.html

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by FLUX-YOU »

>HR machine denies human a job

>Hundred of thousands of records were missing and the web interface was not responding.

Are you sure you guys didn't have an attacker on the loose?

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by sulam »

realo wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #11

I had a somewhat similar, but much less serious experience at Google. I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective. Much to my surprise, the resignation (slated to be effective after the promo) somehow cancelled the promo via some automated system. However, a promo at Google is a huge deal. I really wanted the promotion to go through, so that I would have that level…

This is interesting. On the one hand, you have been promoted to a new role, so you have reached a compatible level of expertise. You can put that role on your resume and sell yourself. On the other hand, you never, ever actually performed in that role, with the new responsibilities. How can you list that on your resume ! I am not sure what is the right answer here... but as your new employer I would take your last pr…

There is a very clear right answer here provided you consider promotion from a clean point of view.

A promotion is a _recognition_ that you are _already_ operating at a given level. It's an acknowledgement by TPTB that you deserve a given title.

Anything less than this leads to a result where you may not actually be performing at the level the new title requires, which means you could conceivably be promoted and immediately fail to meet expectations in the new role.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by pmlnr »

mirceal wrote: post #7

sounds like the machine worked perfectly. it did what it was supposed to do and followed the rules layed out by us humans. the problem is in the way the workflow is described/implemented - and even with that we would need to see some numbers around how many times the workflow ran vs issues encountered.

All machines should have a big red emergency stop button, including this.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by rinchik »

realo wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #11

I had a somewhat similar, but much less serious experience at Google. I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective. Much to my surprise, the resignation (slated to be effective after the promo) somehow cancelled the promo via some automated system. However, a promo at Google is a huge deal. I really wanted the promotion to go through, so that I would have that level…

This is interesting. On the one hand, you have been promoted to a new role, so you have reached a compatible level of expertise. You can put that role on your resume and sell yourself. On the other hand, you never, ever actually performed in that role, with the new responsibilities. How can you list that on your resume ! I am not sure what is the right answer here... but as your new employer I would take your last pr…

I'm not particularly familiar with the system at Google, but at any somewhat decent tech company in order to get a promotion you have to already perform as you would in your "future" role for some time, with higher-level expectations and responsibilities.

For example, is someone with level I is up for level II promo, she/he has to match level II criteria long before actual promotion is due.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by skj »

realo wrote: post #19
drewg123 wrote: post #11

I had a somewhat similar, but much less serious experience at Google. I resigned just after I had gotten a promotion, but before the date when the promo was effective. Much to my surprise, the resignation (slated to be effective after the promo) somehow cancelled the promo via some automated system. However, a promo at Google is a huge deal. I really wanted the promotion to go through, so that I would have that level…

This is interesting. On the one hand, you have been promoted to a new role, so you have reached a compatible level of expertise. You can put that role on your resume and sell yourself. On the other hand, you never, ever actually performed in that role, with the new responsibilities. How can you list that on your resume ! I am not sure what is the right answer here... but as your new employer I would take your last pr…

At Google, you ostensibly must have been performing at the new level for at least six months in order to get the promotion.

The span at the level lower than your performance is accommodated by an excellent bonus and stock refresh.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by neogodless »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #14
bb88 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because a contract is not employment. A contractor has less protections than an employee. It's both good and bad, but typically a contractor gets a higher rate than an employee since health insurance, etc is not provided.

People always say this but I am a contractor and I have health insurance.

There's multiple ways to interpret the statement... but can you clarify?

Does a staffing agency pay as a W-2 employee and provide an insurance plan?

I'm a contractor (1099) so I buy my own insurance. So I have it...

In either of the above cases, the company where I do my work does not provide my insurance.

Re: The Machine Fired Me

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Post by sigfubar »

drewg123 wrote: post #20
sigfubar wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What made you think that you were entitled to something that you were supposed to receive on a date which was later than the date on which you resigned?

I resigned effective the 2nd of a month, and the promo was effective the 1st of the month. See above "resignation (slated to be effective after the promo)". So the resignation was scheduled for the day after the promo. I actually stayed an extra week to receive the promo.

You should have become a lawyer.
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