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Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I find no problem with OpenID. There are many free OpenId providers out there, and if you really don't want to use one, you can create your own fairly easily.

The issue is that it should be an extension for your app, not a rule. I think, that the best way is to always do you own auth system and maybe improve it using OpenId providers.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I just came off of a project where we built the entire auth system on facebook. No other regi options - just facebook. I will never do that again. If that was to become the standard, facebook shot themselves in the foot with their crappy APIs anyhow (see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1731427 ) And I have a facebook account, and I'm really hesitiant to like or authorize anything for fear of the author (or hacker…

The replies here show that Fb have done a good job of making privacy settings confusing.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Lots and lots and lots of sites fail because they depend on jquery hosted by google.

Interesting, that makes their altruistic (CDN) hosting seem slightly more strategic.

Everything Google do is strategic and usually has little if anything to do with their publicly stated aims. For example, Android, recaptcha, OpenID...

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Define "something good." You haven't given any reasons on why it sucks.

Something that lets me use my email address as my ID. I can remember my email address. I can't even remember which openID provider I used to sign up for StackOverflow, let alone how they expect me to form the URL that I use for my login. So once a month, when my cookie expires, I get to perform a forgot-password-like action, where I dig through my email to find my username, then try several combinations of it and cla…

Just put a delegate on a web page URL you'll remember. Like on your personal website.

I use my own page and use the OpenId delegate meta-tag to point to the domain that I also don't remember: http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-1_1.html#deleg...

This way you only have to remember your own URL like: http://openid.mydomain.com and the password that you've chosen.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Facebook is an overly pervasive, cookie tracking, click hijacking, non-privacy respecting nuisance. I have an account, but I only log it in from an "incognito" window where it can't set cookies. And if your website wants my Facebook, I regard that as an up front signal that you intend to trample all over my privacy and exploit information (such as my friends) that is none of your business - I won't sign up.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Email is better because you are not locked into using some third party website to log in. You can set up an email server of you own if you wanted to.

Sure - but that wasn't what he said. He said that requiring facebook makes him think that the website owner shouldn't be trusted with data. Which has nothing to do w/ lock-in on 3rd party websites. It has to do w/ the relative security competence of those who choose to use FB Connect vs. those who choose email.

Who said anything about security? I would take a "Facebook only" login system to imply that the creator of the website makes bad decisions. I'd prefer to not hand over data to people who make such poor decisions.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Surely it's easier to write your own authentication system than plug in to Facebooks?

No. It's actually very hard (to do correctly). Especially if your cloud provider (AppEngine in my case) makes it even harder.

I've always found this one of the easier things to do when setting up a website... And I do, do it correctly.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Something that lets me use my email address as my ID. I can remember my email address. I can't even remember which openID provider I used to sign up for StackOverflow, let alone how they expect me to form the URL that I use for my login. So once a month, when my cookie expires, I get to perform a forgot-password-like action, where I dig through my email to find my username, then try several combinations of it and cla…

Just put a delegate on a web page URL you'll remember. Like on your personal website. I use my own page and use the OpenId delegate meta-tag to point to the domain that I also don't remember: http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-1_1.html#deleg... This way you only have to remember your own URL like: http://openid.mydomain.com and the password that you've chosen.

Is that actually a serious suggestion? Is that what you'd tell your non-technical users when they asked you what an openid was?

Sentences that start with the word "just" should describe something easy to do. Like, you know, using your existing email address as your unique ID.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

#240

We have two separate clients that spend big $$$ on AdSense driving new customer acquisition that used single fb connect for login. After the API issue last week both saw their 8+ LP scores dive down to 1! Lost commerce for both over the past few days equals multiple tens of thousands, still not seeing the scores recover.

To add to that to people who don't know your quality score for a page in adwords is somewhere between 1 and 10, so someone with a page rank of 10 gets ads cheaper than those with a lower quality score. A score of 1 is basically googles way to signal to a site for whatever reason that they don't like what you are doing. Usually unless you can get the original decision overturned the domain will forever sit at 1 and be basically useless in terms of using adwords.
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