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Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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I concede it's possible that saboteurs are operating within Tesla, but lashing out at invisible enemies sends a strong "crazy" signal. Elon has been sending a lot of crazy signals lately...

Maybe he'll get back to his South African roots, go full zef, and start dressing/acting like Die Antwoord.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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I don't want to be the conspiracy guy, but if I read the email the opposite way, I found out that the message is the sabotage first (yes), but the second point about ramping up the production to 5k is the second subject. I'm asking the question if this email could be a stunt to inform the investors their production state, to inform about the delays, etc. ? Simply wondering.

5k/week was already the goal. He's just reassuring investors that it hasn't changed. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/01/tesla-delivers-1550-mod...

Indeed. But I sense a more subtle message in this email than the sabotage. Don't you feel it ? It is purely subjective.

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Indeed they are. Beginning with the simple workflow: 1. Get many burner phones for cash. 2. Get many prepaid credit card for cash. 3. Sign up for many self-driving car services. 4. Targeted denial of service. (I'm avoiding the very-slow-cruise-missile scenario because nobody wants to think about it.)

Not sure if you've tried lately, but when you pay cash for a burner phone, most retail outlets require a driver license to scan your information into their system. When you activate it, you need quite a bit of personal information. It used to be really easy, but law enforcement is cracking down on the ability to buy and activate these anonymously for obvious reasons. Are there ways around these? Sure, but it's not ne…

I got a burner phone at wal mart with no info recently.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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I think it's your comment that's naive. Mature organizations have strict separation of duties, and a great deal of oversight over code reviews and code deployment. It is becoming obvious that Tesla's focus is on execution speed and other aspects (in this case internal security) are suffering.

You mean all the mature organizations that have security breaches announced every day? Most companies do not have good security. Even when they do, it's hard to get it right, especially for internal attacks. Don't underestimate what a single individual can do when they're already inside and well-informed.

To announce a breach you first have to find it. It seems Tesla took quite some time to find this one.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Then again, Musk knows that this email will instantly get leaked. This is PR as much as anything.

What if that communication was an attempt at discovering the leak source? Maybe there is an uniquely identifiable token or wording in the original mail(s) (per division, or team). Did any one counted the spaces or looked for invisible Unicode characters?

They could also find a few places where synonyms can be substituted without sounding weird, a few places where a comma is optional or can be replaced with a dash, ... much more likely to survive a journalist doing the responsible thing and retyping the e-mail.

For example:

His {stated, claimed} motivation {is, was} that he {wanted a promotion that he did not receive, did not receive a promotion he wanted}. {In light of, Given} {these, his} actions, not promoting him was definitely the right {move, choice}.

This can be detected by people comparing two e-mails, but the unicode trick can often be found just by looking at one of them, so I wouldn't say one is more stealthy than the other.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Let me guess, you have never driven a Tesla, have you?

What, is it being pulled by magical unicorns, while you blissfully float on a cloud of unicorn farts? Eh, no, it's a car. Not particularly great or luxurious at that.

I heard this defense before. It's the same as saying Mac is just a computer and iPhone is just a phone.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Is the logic here that because some conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, all conspiracy theories are likely true? That seems... unwise.

I think what they meant was that the label "conspiracy theory" is often used to discredit the truth, At this stage we have so many examples of conspiracy theories turning out to be straight up conspiracies that you would be unwise to not look further for yourself when you hear someone roll-out the conspiracy theory label.

I disagree with "often," "so many," and the general idea that anything more than a small percentage of things labeled conspiracy theories have ever turned out to be true.

Conspiracy theories tend to be unfalsifiable claims without counter-explanations, while later-revealed conspiracies have tended to unravel based on credible counter-explanations from the beginning. Yes, the US government imported drugs into inner cities, just as the San Jose Mercury News spelled out, and it's a tragedy that the government then hounded that journalist to suicide before finally admitting it was all true.

In the meantime, hundreds or thousands of claims have been made that have no basis in reality, nothing other than "the world ought to make more sense than it does."

Our planet isn't flat because the US government tested drugs on poor black people without telling them. The latter was consistent with known facts all along, while the former is the result of Dunning-Kruger nonsense.

That oil companies and auto manufacturers are sabotaging Tesla, while competing rocket companies sabotaged SpaceX, is not impossible. It is, however, far less likely than that production is difficult, and that employees treated as Tesla employees are reported to be treated sometimes become disgruntled. So I won't be surprised if there does turn out to be evidence worth charging somebody with, but I think reason suggests that it's less likely than Musk is claiming.

Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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That's all good and nice but in most cases, this is a matter of policy. If someone actively tries to circumvent the policy or the process, odds are that most software shops would fall victim to the same thing. Especially in the case of internal software. Even if you have a system that attempts to enforce the process, odds are that the system isn't without flaw and is not too hard to circumvent. Most businesses who's…

> If someone actively tries to circumvent the policy or the process, odds are that most software shops would fall victim to the same thing. Too often the focus is entirely on outside attacks, with little consideration given to insider attacks. Previous job was at a cyber security firm. We'd routinely come under attack from criminal and, we believed, occasional nation state attacks as our researchers attributed a few…

Security isn't really valued. How many companies get fines that actually hurt them for poor security?

On top of that, anything that relies on human discipline is going to fail. Everyone forgets sometims and an attacker only needs in once

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