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A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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LOL, but why aren't french-speakers from Quebec called "latinos" also? It makes no sense.

Language and nomenclature does not develop rationally. It's fair to point out that you find it jarring, but it's so embedded in the western hemisphere that your appeals to sense aren't going to change anything.

> It's fair to point out that you find it jarring, but it's so embedded in the western hemisphere that your appeals to sense aren't going to change anything.

I am in the "western hemisphere" (by any possible definition), and this nomenclature is not by any means embedded in my culture. In high school, we learned latin as the language of our ancestors, we studied latin civilization and latin culture as part of the ancient Roman empire, etc. I remember being taught about our latin culture of southern europe of romance-speaking peoples, and they compared with the germanic culture of the north. At home, my father pushed into me the (of course, ridiculous) stereotypes of the serious, hard-working germanic peoples of the north, which are probably more intelligent but they have less creativity than us latins. I can call myself a "proud latin".

It does not seem that this usage of "latin" that you mention is particular to the western hemisphere, but rather to the U.S.. Moreover, the term "latin america" was precisely introduced to refer to the french-speaking colonizers of the continent.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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The Swedish letter Å would be useful here: "Latinå" Too hard to type on physical keyboards though.

I love the elegance of this, unfortunately I can imagine an attempt to use it devolving into the "more than two genders" argument.

"Latin@" is also sometimes used to avoid denoting male or female, but many people prefer "Latinx" for exactly the reason you mentioned.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Does anyone else find the whole 'Latinx' thing nonsensical? I understand the reasoning, it's about being gender neutral. But why don't they just knock the vowel off the end and just say 'Latin'?

Try googling "why latinx" and reading up on it. It's deeper than just gender-neutrality, and it's not just about being "sensical". Some here will dismiss it because there are political aspects to the choice. But I assume most people who comment on Hacker News under self-determined pseudonyms can respect the desire and the right of people to come up with labels for referring to themselves that make sense to them, what…

I read a few articles, and I can understand the viewpoint about how using latino and latina can be seen as problematic. I understood that before.

But I don't understand why we don't just drop the o/a at the end and use "Latin". No article seems to explain this, and nobody here in HN has explained it either.

I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it, I genuinely don't understand what's wrong with simply using "Latin", which would be linguistically more correct in English, and also a contraction of "Latin American".

Maybe there's some cultural nuance I'm missing, as I'm not American. All the Latin American people I know identify as being from their home country (mostly Argentina and Chile), rather than Latin American anyway. The whole Latino/Latina/Latinx thing seems to be some Pan-Latin American thing for US residents, trying to amalgamate a whole continent into a single cultural identity.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Whoa, I never thought an article about Liberal would be on HN. I'm a Liberal, KS resident since about 2005, and now that I think about it...people here do have a kind of unique accent, but I don't know if it's really as striking as the article makes it out to be. I don't know, maybe I've just gotten used to it.

I was shocked when I opened the article and saw our welcome sign. Hahaha

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Ah, an article about my home state. It's worth pointing out how isolated this town is... Interstate doesn't even run through that part of the state, and the nearest 'big city' is hours away.

Isolation is probably an important factor for the development of an accent

This is true, and not just in language - Africa has some of the highest genetic diversity found in relative short distances because of isolated villages. I can imagine local accents and by extension languages form even faster than detectable genetic traits.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Does anyone else find the whole 'Latinx' thing nonsensical? I understand the reasoning, it's about being gender neutral. But why don't they just knock the vowel off the end and just say 'Latin'?

Try googling "why latinx" and reading up on it. It's deeper than just gender-neutrality, and it's not just about being "sensical". Some here will dismiss it because there are political aspects to the choice. But I assume most people who comment on Hacker News under self-determined pseudonyms can respect the desire and the right of people to come up with labels for referring to themselves that make sense to them, what…

Could you provide the link? I'm willing to google it but I'd like to get the best article and it sounds like you're knowledgeable about this subject.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Ah, an article about my home state. It's worth pointing out how isolated this town is... Interstate doesn't even run through that part of the state, and the nearest 'big city' is hours away.

It is worth pointing out. I'm a Liberal resident and the geographical isolation can be a pain. It's getting better as the town grows, but at the end of the day we're still very alone out here.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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An American would refer to them as Canadian, French-Canadian, or Québécois if you're feeling fancy. We also have the term Hispanic to refer to folks from Latin America though I'm not quite sure what the underlying difference is.

And indeed that in my opinion is an issue. People in Quebec are french-speaking or francophone, but calling them "French" is dismissing everybody in Quebec who is not of "pure" French descent.

That's a very good point, though I always took "French-Canadian" to mean "French-Speaking Canadian" instead of specifying origin and location, similar to how we have the term "African-American" which is a euphemism for skin-color as opposed to specifying origin and location.

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I grew up in a small fishing village in the north of Scotland - an area notorious for its very strong accents (to the point of some documentaries filmed locally having to be subtitled in English!). However, people who lived on farms spoke with a noticeably different accent (at least to the ears of locals) - even though they might be physically on a kilometer or two from the nearest village. NB This was in the 70s - I…

The movie "Hot Fuzz" played up variations in regional accents in England. There's a scene (1) where the London cop (Simon Pegg) has to use two rural cops in order to interpret the dialect of an old farmer. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cun-LZvOTdw

That scene is only a slight exaggeration. Rural West Country accents can be almost totally unintelligible to users of standard English.

https://youtu.be/WjTIFkWJctY?t=40s

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Does anyone else find the whole 'Latinx' thing nonsensical? I understand the reasoning, it's about being gender neutral. But why don't they just knock the vowel off the end and just say 'Latin'?

I agree it is nonsensical, but I'd rather it stay as it used to be. Through the usual meme grapevine I saw a tumblr post on reddit about this. Being gender neutral/genderless in this case is also actively ignoring Spanish linguistics (and arguably culture). Spanish is a gendered language like many others. It's not some patriarchal conspiracy to say Latino instead of Latina or vice versa, it's just how the language wo…

There is still a push for using X, at least in Spain. The argument is that of course "La Ministro" is a patriarchal, so we should use "La Ministra", or "Consejo de Ministros y Ministras" etc etc
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