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Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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I find the usage of the word "latin" in the U.S. rather amusing, because they awkwardly use it to refer to people of non-european heritage... as an european, for me it is synonymous with "ancient roman".

Everything south of the United States except for the French/Dutch settled area of South America is referred to as 'Latin America'

If we're going to be political about gender, shouldn't we be political about the invasion and oppression of the native people by Europeans and Latin culture?

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Actually I see a lot of people write x or @ instead of o. The x is the variety most sprayed on walls in political statements, the @ is used for stuff like birthday invites. Some people I know do it. To use x in an English text comes across to me as political activism.

To clarify, you mean in written Spanish, right?

Yes written Spanish. Not sure how people fix it when they speak? I hear people say "muchachas y muchachos" a lot on political rallies.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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The tension between "all non-Anglo culture is unconditionally progressive" versus "we have to pretend linguistic gender is political" is amusing. The meme that the standard English "he", used in the context of referring to a gender unspecified person, is oppressive can't be older than the 60's; it's probably possible to document its exact source and rate of spread. The meme doesn't even make sense for its own purpose…

> it disallows an English speaker to refer to a person in a gender unspecified way it's really not that hard to use singular "they". we already do it naturally in instances like "someone left their coat here. i hope they don't need it today." it only gets confusing when you try to talk about a gender unspecified member of a group and the group at the same time. you can certainly debate whether you should have to adju…

Singular "they" sometimes gets a bad rap (less so in the last couple years) but it's been part of the English language since the time thorn (Þ) was an English letter. It's appeared in well known written works by respected authors, such as this usage by Shakespeare:

"There's not a man I meet but doth salute me as if I were their well-acquainted friend" - A Comedy of Errors, Act IV, Scene 3

As you point out, even people who criticize it use it, because it's natural in most situations. There would be very few people who would naturally say "each of the children called his parents" over "each of the children called their parents."

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/13/462906419/everyone-uses-singu...

>A lot of people tell you it sets their teeth on edge, but my guess is that they're not listening to themselves very attentively. Everyone uses singular "they," whether they realize it or not. In an engaging recent book called Between You & Me, the New Yorker's self-designated comma queen Mary Norris says that that use of "they" is "just wrong." But flip back a few pages and you find her writing "Nobody wanted to think they were not essential." If that sentence got by a New Yorker copy editor in her own book on grammar, what hope is there for anybody else? If you insist on coming down on singular "they," it's best to be a bit ironic about it, since you're almost certainly going to be making a hypocrite of yourself before the day is out.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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LOL, but why aren't french-speakers from Quebec called "latinos" also? It makes no sense.

Language and nomenclature does not develop rationally. It's fair to point out that you find it jarring, but it's so embedded in the western hemisphere that your appeals to sense aren't going to change anything.

Until recently, it was "so embedded" in the anglophone (and all Latin languages) to use the male gender when unspecified (AND plurals in Latin languages), and yet enough people appeals to sense did make a difference.

Why is it cool to change the language about gender, but not about culture?

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Does anyone else find the whole 'Latinx' thing nonsensical? I understand the reasoning, it's about being gender neutral. But why don't they just knock the vowel off the end and just say 'Latin'?

The same reason you use they, them, and their instead of dropping pronouns entirely. It's easier to make language gender-neutral than it is to remove the slot gender occupies entirely.

There are probably other reasons.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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LOL, but why aren't french-speakers from Quebec called "latinos" also? It makes no sense.

An American would refer to them as Canadian, French-Canadian, or Québécois if you're feeling fancy. We also have the term Hispanic to refer to folks from Latin America though I'm not quite sure what the underlying difference is.

And indeed that in my opinion is an issue.

People in Quebec are french-speaking or francophone, but calling them "French" is dismissing everybody in Quebec who is not of "pure" French descent.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Everything south of the United States except for the French/Dutch settled area of South America is referred to as 'Latin America'

If we're going to be political about gender, shouldn't we be political about the invasion and oppression of the native people by Europeans and Latin culture?

Absolutely. Intersectionality is very important for any social justice effort. Most native social justice advocates I see are also LGBTQ+ advocates. Not as much the other way around, but I do see it.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Does anyone else find the whole 'Latinx' thing nonsensical? I understand the reasoning, it's about being gender neutral. But why don't they just knock the vowel off the end and just say 'Latin'?

I agree it is nonsensical, but I'd rather it stay as it used to be. Through the usual meme grapevine I saw a tumblr post on reddit about this. Being gender neutral/genderless in this case is also actively ignoring Spanish linguistics (and arguably culture). Spanish is a gendered language like many others. It's not some patriarchal conspiracy to say Latino instead of Latina or vice versa, it's just how the language wo…

Isn't the adjective for the Roman "Latin" in Spanish also "Latino"? Do they get confused by this?

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Strange-the pronunciation changes that she demonstrates with "hand" seem to be bringing the accent closer to RP English!

Yeah even among US accents I felt in the video she was really exaggerating Midwestern US accents when saying the "normal" version of "hand". On the coasts this "strange" pronunciation is not so uncommon.

Re: A New Accent Is Developing in Southwest Kansas

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Everyone and their mother uses TFTI. This is satire right?

I've been on the internet for 6+ hours a day for the past 15 years and I have literally never seen it.

First I've heard of it too. The article says "thanks for the invite" but I googled it and the top Google result says "thanks for the info", so it doesn't seem like people agree on what it means.

Are we sure people in Liberal aren't saying it ironically? Most people who pronounce Internet slang acronyms IRL are doing it ironically and the fad wears off quickly.

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