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Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by chii »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #169
userbinator wrote: post #136

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I learned my lesson after Nintendo went berzerk and requested takedowns for gameplay videos and walkthroughs Going after pirates and such I can sort of understand, but people enjoying your product (and obviously helping to promote it)? WTF. It reminds me of the complete opposite of this old meme: http://lurkmore.so/images/9/94/360_Kid.jpg

> but people enjoying your product (and obviously helping to promote it)? WTF. The usual rationale is that walkthroughs / let's play videos show enough of the game that people may opt to just watch the video, instead of playing the game itself. I can sort of understand this position when it comes to videos that e.g. show the entire single-player campaign with zero commentary. But I'm not convinced that people opting…

> I'm not convinced that people opting for such videos would have bought the game if the walkthroughs were not available.

also, if the game has nothing else to offer when compared to a video playthrough, may be it's the game that has the problem!

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by chii »

yizzy wrote: post #55
amatecha wrote: post #10

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Nice, do you have any summary of what process you take to back up channels? I've considered the same in the past, but found that there are a lot of crappy/sketchy plugins, and not too many legit/decent ones that actually get the highest quality copy of the content.

You can also use Yizzy[0]. It’s just a GUI on top of youtube-dL but it’s very easy if you don’t like command line. It’s only MacOS compatible by default but should work anywhere if you change the python path. Like youtube-dl it also allows you to download whole playlists by just pasting the link. 0 - https://github.com/biko-the-bird/Yizzy

also https://github.com/MrS0m30n3/youtube-dl-gui

and there are plenty of others too.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by Silhouette »

dilap wrote: post #66
ravenstine wrote: post #4

I know this is just filtering for now, but I've been backing up entire channels for fear they'll one day disappear because global policy or legacy media conglomerates won't allow for it. I imagine the "you" in YouTube will be mostly gone in the next decade. The writing's on the wall.

it's quite a shame. google are not being good chaperones of what has become an amazing service and resource. hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise. (OT: wow, HN strips emoji!)

hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise.

Ironically, we used to have a nice, decentralized Internet, and services like YouTube have been probably the biggest cause of damage to it.

Not so many years ago, everyone got a bit of web space and their own URL along with the connection from their ISP. You could put your own web site there, for all to see. Many ISPs would allow running some basic software. Visitors would find these sites through search engines or [gasps] manually created links from other sites with relevant material.

An analogous service today would probably involve providing a useful amount of space and bandwidth, and probably some ready-made blogging or video hosting software so non-geeks could just start creating something instead of having to install anything first. But in reality, almost no ISPs (at least here in the UK) routinely offer that sort of service any more, because the likes of YouTube and Medium have killed it.

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Post by AlanSE »

mrmr1993 wrote: post #208
avs733 wrote: post #81

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I've always felt like false assertion of copyright should cause the loss of copyright. Seems like a fair balance for me. And before someone gets on me...I realize that these are automated filters that are rarely asserted by the actual copyright holder.

The complexity here is that there are multiple parties involved: the copyright holder, who suspects there may have been an infringement; the uploader of the potentially infringing content; and the host, who wants as little to do with copyright claims as they can. The DMCA strikes a balance for the copyright holder and the host, by letting the host avoid any liability for the copyright infringement, as long as they en…

I don't think your proposal would do anything to reduce the rates of false negatives, because there's no incentive to avoid them. Many false negatives will never get identified in the first place, because if a side-project pedestrian creator wasn't going to make any money off a creative work, why would they expose themselves to a possible court summons?

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Post by chii »

rocqua wrote: post #111
_bxg1 wrote: post #58

I don't understand why no other video platform has broken into YouTube's market share, after the last couple years' constant stream of PR disasters which mostly have to do with the scale of the platform

Beyond the issues of infrastructure cost and litigious publishers as mentioned by others, there is also the user base. If users are on YT, that is where the content creators will be. And if the content creators are on YT, that is where the users are. Moreover, users have curated lists of subscriptions and creators have large lists of material. Finally, YT has access to a lot of data on viewing behavior, and likes. Th…

> YT should be a lot better at recommending videos to users.

this is hardly the case, as any avid youtube watcher can tell you. Recently, the algorithmic suggestions are terrible, and either show repeated content, or content that's not even close to what's being watched (but the SEO/words in the description/title matches), or is a huge list of videos from the same channel.

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Post by dilap »

Silhouette wrote: post #213
dilap wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's quite a shame. google are not being good chaperones of what has become an amazing service and resource. hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise. (OT: wow, HN strips emoji!)

hopefully a completely decentralized replacement will arise. Ironically, we used to have a nice, decentralized Internet, and services like YouTube have been probably the biggest cause of damage to it. Not so many years ago, everyone got a bit of web space and their own URL along with the connection from their ISP. You could put your own web site there, for all to see. Many ISPs would allow running some basic software…

i do think the search, recommendations, following, ease-of-uploading, and unlimited hosting capacity that youtube gives you are of real, incredible value. i can find videos on youtube of how to do practically anything, uploaded by every kind of person imaginable.

practically speaking, people creating their own webpages and hoping to get indexed by a search engine or included in a hand-curated directory is not going to get anywhere close to that. you restrict your creators to a tiny, tiny fraction of the population w/ those skills.

so the trick is how to have the great ux of these centralized services without the downsides of centralized control. seems like there's a good chance it's possible.

(for other services, we did used to have (well, still do) pretty good decentralized variants. slack vs irc, reddit/hn vs newsgroups, email vs fb messenger. but even the more minor usability improvements of the centralized alternatives seems to be enough for them to displace what came before. maybe the tide will swing back.)

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Post by dingo_bat »

teaspoons wrote: post #202
reificator wrote: post #22

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I've seen nature videos where there's no sound but the birds chirping, and YouTube is still able to hear someone playing All-Star on Mars and flag the video. It's really incredible tech. EDIT: The article actually mentions some similar examples: http://c4sif.org/2012/02/youtube-identifies-birdsong-as-copy...

if it can identify the song why can't it process it out of the soundtrack ?

They don't care. Individual videos don't matter to them.

Re: YouTube’s Piracy Filter Blocks MIT Courses, Blender Videos, and More

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Post by mrmr1993 »

AlanSE wrote: post #214
mrmr1993 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complexity here is that there are multiple parties involved: the copyright holder, who suspects there may have been an infringement; the uploader of the potentially infringing content; and the host, who wants as little to do with copyright claims as they can. The DMCA strikes a balance for the copyright holder and the host, by letting the host avoid any liability for the copyright infringement, as long as they en…

I don't think your proposal would do anything to reduce the rates of false negatives, because there's no incentive to avoid them. Many false negatives will never get identified in the first place, because if a side-project pedestrian creator wasn't going to make any money off a creative work, why would they expose themselves to a possible court summons?

This is all true, but it does do something to start redressing the balance. Once we're at the stage where content creators have some of the control back, then we can start looking at reducing the stakes for non-profit content, limiting the claims rights holders can make if they abuse the system, etc.

Expecting a solution that covers everything first time -- and trying to persuade people that the special cases are necessary without seeing the system in action -- is a great way to achieve slow/no progress.

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Post by dingo_bat »

_bxg1 wrote: post #58

I don't understand why no other video platform has broken into YouTube's market share, after the last couple years' constant stream of PR disasters which mostly have to do with the scale of the platform

Youtube video quality and speed is unparalleled. There are times on my phone when even jpgs on imgur take longer to load than 1080p video on youtube. I don't know how exactly they pull it off but I guess it's a combo of local caching and deals with ISPs and phone carriers. Smaller competitors have no chance to compete.
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