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Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Re: Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging sabotage' by employee

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Post by Alex3917 »

ubernostrum wrote: post #242
TimTheTinker wrote: post #182

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Wow, I hadn’t heard of that - pretty horrible stuff. Thanks for the info.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

Or, more relevantly, why immigrants from Guatemala and Honduras are increasingly coming to the U.S.

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Post by Fins »

abc_lisper wrote: post #25
yasp wrote: post #8

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Not that anyone cares or asked what I think but I wouldn't be surprised if Elon ends up surpassing Crazie Eddie Antar [0] as far as fraud goes. (I have no idea whether he is a fraud. He just strikes me as likely a fraud.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Eddie

Let me guess, you have never driven a Tesla, have you?

What, is it being pulled by magical unicorns, while you blissfully float on a cloud of unicorn farts?

Eh, no, it's a car. Not particularly great or luxurious at that.

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Post by rorykoehler »

ucaetano wrote: post #34

We need to figure out if he was acting alone or with others at Tesla and if he was working with any outside organizations. As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of T…

That's not paranoia, it's realism. Also this everyone is against us tactic is a very powerful management stick. Sir Alex Ferguson was a master of using it.

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Post by woodandsteel »

There's something really sad about all the people who are claiming that Musk has developed deep psychological problems in recent months.

Do they really think these claims are going to stop people from buying his cars, or stop big companies from hiring SpaceX to launch their satellites into orbit? Or that it will cause the megafactory to be a total failure?

I think what we are seeing here is speculators who have bet deeply on Tesla's stock crashing and are about to be wiped out. They are desperately trying anything they can to undermine the company, even though they know it is very unlikely to succeed.

To those who are so critical of Musk I ask, what is your prediction about how the company will be doing in 6 months or a year? And give us some specific reasons, not just some vague claims about Musk's mental state.

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Post by mmjaa »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #160
colechristensen wrote: post #145

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It doesn't strike me as paranoia. Thinking that industrial espionage doesn't happen seems naive. What they have is an admitted saboteur and code that exports data to third parties. It quacks like a duck. A disgruntled employee succumbed to or sought out people who wished to do harm to Tesla. There's plenty of evidence of similar things happening. (edit to fix words) If you work in the defense industry you get things…

Great comment, but I’m not sure what events you’re referring to when you say: > American companies have overthrown governments to benefit their business Care to elaborate?

It is precisely because we cannot trust the US government, that those of us still living outside of the purview of the 5-eyes nations are utterly unwilling to put up with the heinous powers granted the NSA, which services its 'customers' with near-impunity and utter lack of civil oversight. If you thought UFC is bad (it was) and if it is the only example you know, consider what the NSA is currently capable of doing, with regards to corporate espionage, and who it works for ...

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Post by dimgl »

ucaetano wrote: post #34

We need to figure out if he was acting alone or with others at Tesla and if he was working with any outside organizations. As you know, there are a long list of organizations that want Tesla to die. These include Wall Street short-sellers, who have already lost billions of dollars and stand to lose a lot more. Then there are the oil & gas companies, the wealthiest industry in the world — they don't love the idea of T…

I really don't understand why you're comparing his diction to Trump's when lots of proficient orators use the same kind of language... So... yeah...

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Post by rorykoehler »

ubernostrum wrote: post #242
TimTheTinker wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I hadn’t heard of that - pretty horrible stuff. Thanks for the info.

I'm not trying to be mean here, but: you never wondered why so many people in Iran hated the US enough to call it the "Great Satan"? I know we've had a generation or so of leaders over here who just prattle on about "they hate us for our freedom", but I'm kind of boggled by the idea that people don't get curious and wonder what really set off the level of virulent hatred of the US (and European powers) that existed a…

Not to nitpick because you are spot on but I think you need to go back to at least the D'Arcy Concession to understand the modern Middle East.

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Post by dingaling »

SolarNet wrote: post #120
sanderjd wrote: post #100

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> There will always be a small handful of engineers that can push the button to move code into PROD or even change code in PROD live. There is really no reason for this to be the case. Certainly all code that actually runs on the car can be required to go through review and be verifiably built, even if server code standards are more lax.

I think you misunderstand. Even with code review policies, there is still a short list of people who can push to production without going through code review. Not from a policy standpoint but from a security and access perspective.

The chain we had in ${BIGCORP}:

Programmers: read-write to repository

Staging team: read-only on repository, read-write to test servers and staging zone

Deployment team: read-only on repository and staging zone, read-write to production

It wouldn't prevent malicious code going out but at least would require a chain of cooperation between employees, which would be harder to achieve.

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Post by obelix_ »

internetman55 wrote: post #105
obelix_ wrote: post #42

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Everyone these days is being overloaded with an amount of information - they will never be trained to handle that no previous generation has ever handled What we are watching unfold across any and every issue, are symptoms of people breaking down due to that overload. To handle this new over saturated info environment (which up until now has been sold to everyone as a good thing) one must look to professions that are…

i thought we already solved that; it's called journalism just read the economist or NYT or whatever you like and stfu instead of thinking you're going to somehow to a better job gathering and exploring information than that

Just wrote this 3 days ago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17325760

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Post by mmjaa »

pwinnski wrote: post #151
rplst8 wrote: post #95

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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the argument "you sound like a conspiracy theorist" doesn't hold water any more.

Is the logic here that because some conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, all conspiracy theories are likely true? That seems... unwise.

No, the logic is that just calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it any less true. The term "conspiracy theory" has been socially engineered to automatically produce an 'ok, no need to think about it any more then' reaction, which is precisely the opposite of what needs to be done, in many cases, when enough evidence is gathered to the point that such theories are being formulated... especially when it involves known-nefarious actors and agents, such as the US government, top-secret military-industrial-complex inner societies, and so on.. too often, the general public is dissuaded by critical thought with a mere phrase or two. "Conspiracy theory" is one of those phrases that has been intentionally propagated in modern society to shut down attention.
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