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Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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As an Australian it's horrifying to hear the US experience with 911. We dial 000, and the standard experience is that it's picked up straight away, you answer "Police, Ambulance, or Fire" and "State and Town" and you'll be speaking to a call-taker in less than half a minute. Every now and then something goes wrong (like a big cable gets cut) and the national Telco gets an appropriately huge flogging, but 99.9% of the…

As an Australian who has never had to call 000... I am glad to hear that it works :)

Best advice I can give when calling 000 - let the call-taker follow the script. There will be a point in the call when you can add extra info, but they have a list of things they have to ask before they can press 'Dispatch!', you'll both have a better time if you let them ask their questions in order.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Australian who has never had to call 000... I am glad to hear that it works :)

Best advice I can give when calling 000 - let the call-taker follow the script. There will be a point in the call when you can add extra info, but they have a list of things they have to ask before they can press 'Dispatch!', you'll both have a better time if you let them ask their questions in order.

cheers, thats a good tip I hope I will remember if I ever need to call in.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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This is an extraordinarily important and interesting “space” ripe for innovation. A few weeks ago, I was awarded one of the highest civilian public awards from the Commandant of the US Coast Guard in DC for my volunteer web mapping work during Harvey. That work helped coordinate 700 helicopter sorties and save 1700 lives. I’ve been thinking — and talking with Emergency Responders — about what an up to date 911 would…

This sounds amazing.

I recently witnessed an intoxicated man collapse on the street in front of me, so I was first on scene and had to call our local version of 911 (I live in Australia). Of course I am asked where I am, the address and street, and I had no idea. I was at the bus stop I walk to everyday, surrounded by building with names I couldn't read very well at night, and no street signs near me. I was eventually able to work it out, but that was precious moments we lost that could have made things significantly worse in a different case.

The man was passed out cold (he had hit his head very hard when he fell) and had a very weak pulse and weak breathing, I performed CPR until the ambulance arrived and he started to regain consciousness. The ambulance took a very long time to arrive and then find us, I had to get other bystanders to stand out in the street to wave and shout. When the ambulance left he was fully conscious and able to converse with the officers.

This whole thing of course seemed absurd, as we were all carrying smartphones equipped with HD cameras, GPS, and radios.

In another case, during the Christchurch earthquakes in New Zealand, I was lucky to be involved in a volunteer group which started offering free support services to those on the ground. We ran a text information service where people could text in questions, including asking for the nearest help center based on their location (which they had to provide via text). We would likewise respond over text. We were able to help people find the help they needed, by making it available over text we also were able to reduce the already overloaded cellular services (voice calls are much more expensive than text). We helped dispatch appropriate emergency services to people in need, but it was still very much copying address information as text between various jury rigged systems (written by us during the incident).

I hope we can improve these systems in the coming years, it is especially important to improve them to be redundant to things such as cellular system overload (which is very common during major crisis).

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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This is an extraordinarily important and interesting “space” ripe for innovation. A few weeks ago, I was awarded one of the highest civilian public awards from the Commandant of the US Coast Guard in DC for my volunteer web mapping work during Harvey. That work helped coordinate 700 helicopter sorties and save 1700 lives. I’ve been thinking — and talking with Emergency Responders — about what an up to date 911 would…

Citizen is doing things around this [1]

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sp0n.citizen&h...

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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post #243

This is an extraordinarily important and interesting “space” ripe for innovation. A few weeks ago, I was awarded one of the highest civilian public awards from the Commandant of the US Coast Guard in DC for my volunteer web mapping work during Harvey. That work helped coordinate 700 helicopter sorties and save 1700 lives. I’ve been thinking — and talking with Emergency Responders — about what an up to date 911 would…

This sounds amazing. I recently witnessed an intoxicated man collapse on the street in front of me, so I was first on scene and had to call our local version of 911 (I live in Australia). Of course I am asked where I am, the address and street, and I had no idea. I was at the bus stop I walk to everyday, surrounded by building with names I couldn't read very well at night, and no street signs near me. I was eventuall…

New Zealand has actually rolled out location relay for 111 [1]. They've also managed to do it in a way that seems to keep privacy in mind, the location is deleted after 60 minutes. It's only for Android phones though.

Anyway, it's a great initiative, and one where the possible privacy implications seem to have been mitigated, while providing a massive benefit.

[1] https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-emergency-11...

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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This is an extraordinarily important and interesting “space” ripe for innovation. A few weeks ago, I was awarded one of the highest civilian public awards from the Commandant of the US Coast Guard in DC for my volunteer web mapping work during Harvey. That work helped coordinate 700 helicopter sorties and save 1700 lives. I’ve been thinking — and talking with Emergency Responders — about what an up to date 911 would…

> Imagine! I am, and it scares the hell out of me. If I have to choose between having emergency responders possibly not being able to locate me, and having the government be able to track my every move along with everyone else's, it's not even a hard choice: I'll take the former as by far the lesser of the two evils. Being able to reliably hide my location is every bit as important to personal freedom as being able t…

The government can already track you reasonably accurately using cell tower triangulation, and have been able to for decades.

If you're emitting any sort of signal, the government can track you. That ship sailed about 70 years ago.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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It was a holiday weekend nearly two years ago. I decided to take my family into the downtown area about an hour from our home to get away for a bit.

I have a large family and hotel pools are always a draw. After an hour or two at the pool, the kids started getting out and toweling off. Our three-year-old took his life jacket off to to dry himself and my wife and I started gathering our things. Some of the kids were still in the hot tub so we weren’t exactly in a rush.

After what felt like a very short period of time, my wife says “Where’s Zach?” in that motherly-urgent tone. Just as my eyes focused on the pool, I heard a shriek from my wife unlike anything I’ve ever heard in my life. There is our three-year-old boy, face down in the pool, absolutely still.

I jumped in the pool and pulled him into my arms and set him on the deck on the opposite side of the pool. To this day I have no idea how I climbed out of that pool with him in my arms but I was in and out of that pool seconds. As I looked down at him - he was this awful, unnatural color and I knew we were in a very serious situation.

I’m not a trained medical professional. Like most, I’ve had training on how to handle various emergency situations here and there, but nothing extensive. As I looked down at my still and lifeless son, I realized that the decisions I made in the next minute may be the difference between life and death. And I didn’t really know what I was doing.

I’ve been in stressful situations before, but nothing like this. It was as if I was plucked from reality and placed into some type of metaphysical reality. I don’t know how to describe it. In some ways, I became incredibly focused. In other ways, I was completely dazed and confused.

A couple things came to mind. 1) Call 911. 2) Administer CPR. I yelled out to my oldest teenage daughter to call 911. I told her to call from the hotel phone. Again - in this moment my thoughts were very scattered but I remember thinking that would be the most certain way to relay our location automatically. I had no idea the address or even the street we were on. At that moment I sincerely couldn’t say for certain if we were at the Hyatt, Hilton, Holiday or Hampton. If it was the Hyatt was it the Grand Hyatt, Hyatt Place or just the regular Hyatt? In my mind at least this though was clear: call from a land line and tell them to come and they will come even if you can’t tell them where you are.

I began to administer CPR to my son. Was it breaths or then compressions, or the other way around? How many breaths? How many compressions? How long to I wait to see if he’s got a pulse? The adrenaline is so high there was no way I’d be able to distinguish a pulse with my shaking hands. I gave a couple breaths and started compressions. He was absolutely still. I hoped for the Hollywood-like water puke, cough. I got nothing. Repeat breaths, compressions. Nothing. Repeat. Nothing.

I don’t know how much time had passed, but it felt like an eternity. Why wasn’t he responding to my actions?? Desperation quickly settled in - I don’t know what I’m doing and he will probably die because of it. More than ever I felt a desperate need of help.

I look up and see my daughter scrambling around, still in the pool area. My wife is next to me, trying to help me administer. I scream out to my daughter in absolute desperation “you have to call 911 NOW!” My attention goes back to my son. Breaths. Compressions. Anything? No. Repeat.

The scene around me was absolute mayhem. My other children, of various ages, were letting out blood curdling screams and moans. Whenever I bring myself back to the moment, it brings tears to my eyes. The kids didn’t know exactly what was happening, but they knew this was very, very bad.

The daughter I had instructed to call 911 is very calculated, precise and responsible. I had told her to call 911 from a hotel phone because it was my thought that it was the best (only?) way to reliably provide our location to the responders. She was trying to do exactly that. But the problem was she was locked out of the hotel. She was fumbling through our towels and bags looking for the key card to her her back into the building. She couldn’t find it. It turns out it was in a very natural and obvious spot - my pocket - but in a moment like that, simple things are not always clear. I don’t realize it was in my pocket. She thought it was with our stuff and was digging to find it. In hindsight, I should have told her to call from her cell phone while looking for a hotel phone.

I’m desperate. Help is not coming. What I’m doing doesn’t seem to be doing anything. Every tick of the clock the situation is getting worse. Tunnel vision was setting in. I cannot property articulate the feeing of absolute terror and paralysis that was setting in. “This is actually happening.”

I don’t remember how, but eventually the key issue was resolved and my daughter got into the hotel and began her sprint to the front desk. She was met by the staff part way there. “911 is on the way”, they said. What? Why? We never called.

It turns out, an off duty airline pilot was summoned to the window of his room due to the screaming below. Observing the situation, he summoned help. Around the same time, a nurse was checking into the hotel and had been told her room was not ready. She later told me she was frustrated and decided to take a walk. She passed by the pool area and came to our attention and started helping while the ambulance was making its way to us. At his point, I heard a faint - oh so faint - whimper from my son. Details are fuzzy to me at this point, but 911 arrived and whisked him off to the nearby children’s hospital.

We spent a couple of days at the hospital. He made a full recovery and we were sent home with much gratitude, forever changed by the situation. I know these stories like this so often do not have a happy ending, and I am so, so sorry for the families and loved ones of those who experience other outcomes.

A few thoughts that came to my mind after this experience.

- A mobile phone has the ability to relay location very reliably, and more precisely than a phone registered to an address. A hotel is a big building - sure they might have guessed we were by the pool, but do the first responders know where in a massive hotel the pool is? Seconds matter. It sure would have been nice to know that all I had to do is call 911 from my mobile phone and say “please come” and they could respond with “we are on our way”. - I thought it would be helpful to have a 100% offline-capable, blazing fast, dead simple app with common emergency situations and what basic steps to take. In the state I was in, I’m not sure I would have thought to go to an app. But perhaps a bystander with such an app, even untrained, could use such an app to help coach a situation. - Why on earth was there no phone outside by the hotel pool? You won’t be surprised to know this particular hotel solved that problem. - This all unfolded within our “field of vision”. Our backs were not turned when our son went in the water. But we were focused on gathering our stuff, chatting with each other and just weren’t paying attention. We are different at pools now. - I’ve wondered if some type of device could be strapped to a toddler’s head that would sound off a close-by alarm if submerged for more than x seconds or of the device was removed. It would have to avoid going off with common splashes and quick dunks in the water. As I’ve carefully observed since, the forehead seems like a logical position for such a sensor. Little ones don’t go in below their forehead often for much longer than a few seconds, and in a drowning situation the forehead is always submerged. I fear that such a device, however, would provide aflame sense of security and perhaps would encourage worse supervision.

I am very much looking forward to the day when I can be confident my mobile phone can relay my precise location to emergency responders.

Re: Apple sets up iPhones to relay location for 911 calls

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Oakland needs this help so badly. Call 911 on a cell in Oakland, and you're going to wait on hold for 30 minutes, most of which will be you being transfered to the wrong departments over and over. You start at a call center somewhere in middle America with a person who does not know where Oakland is. They pass you to CA CHP, who don't know Oakland either, because their dispatcher on the line is out of Sacramento. Fin…

Crowdsource 911 dispach?
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