There are a bunch of human behaviors, many of which are destructive, for which we don't really have insight into the underlying bio-physical explanation. Without that understanding, we should not be turning them into medical diagnoses.
‘Gaming disorder’ is officially recognized by the World Health Organization
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#42A bad parent could easily make a child fit all the criteria given by just being a bad parent. Something like this should not exist in the ICD. There should be a general addiction disorder that puts forth general criteria for showing that a person has an addiction for something. This just looks like a scapegoat to me.
That's just as true of lots of diagnoses of physical and mental conditions and injuries. (bone fractures and PTSD are obvious examples.) The fact that bad parenting can cause a condition doesn't invalidate the diagnosis of the condition.
> Something like this should not exist in the ICD. There should be a general addiction disorder that puts forth general criteria for showing that a person has an addiction for something.
The inherent differences between different subjects of addiction require some source specific variation, but various addictive disorders in either the ICD or the DSM do have generally similar criteria.
> This just looks like a scapegoat to me.
A scapegoat for what?
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#43I'm curious why this needs its own definition, rather than being part of a larger "addiction disorder".
Because people who don't play games think it's weird that others are interested in things they don't like. So there must be something wrong with them. There's a good reason why many psychologists and psychiatrists were against the inclusion of this in ICD-11 and why the DSM5 does not list it as an officially recognized disorder either.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about television disorder, Netflix disorder? BBC News seem to be implying that 20 hours per week is too much [1]. I feel like most people that watch TV/Netflix/Youtube etc. would easily watch more than 3 hours a day. They also claim that if you're putting too much meaning on your online friendships that this is a bad thing. For many, their online friendships are the only ones they have, or they will be better an…
This. Play 2 hours of videogames and babyboomer parents start loosing their minds (but not after spending the whole evening watching TV)
Ehhh... no thanks. I'll stick to my games. Nothing against Football or sports, but DAMN those things are huge timesinks I don't personally want to be a part of. I generally just spend a few minutes reading the scores / major plays so that I can continue to have conversations with my coworkers (I do see the importance of smalltalk and being able to keep up socially, so that's the level I try to stay at with sports).
Spoiler alert: pretty much every hobby eats up a lot of time. I'm not convinced any particular hobby is better or worse for you, aside from health-mandated fundamentals (ie: a bit of exercise and time in the sun).
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#45Edit: found it https://youtu.be/of1k5AwiNxI?t=1150
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there is no larger “addiction disorder”, and trying to create one would have a messy and complex definition compared to distinct definitions that happen to share some features.
Yet the same organisation that seems to care so much about giving every little addiction it's own name also lumps every variety of autism under the same umbrella term.
Because diagbostic criteria need to be different for different subject matter, and no suitable generalization had been identified.
> also lumps every variety of autism under the same umbrella term.
Because there is a continuum of manifestations and not clear differentiated kinds with crisp, clinically meaningful boundaries or subject matter.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Each addiction clearly and openly differs in the object of addiction. Whereas, with autisms, we don't yet know how to analyze symptoms well enough for there to be a bijection between set-of-symptoms and underlying-autism-variant; indeed, we can barely even separate autism's causes and effects, if at all.
The activity which is addictive varies, but the underlying physiological mechanism seems to be essentially identical from cocaine abuse to gambling. Defining the disorder by the pathology rather than an obtuse collection of symptoms which have a tendency to overlap and merge might be too much for psychology, but it’s the scientific thing.
No, it doesn't. There seem to likely be some similar key mechanisms involved, but the shared mechanisms aren't the whole story, otherwise someone addicted to something would be addicted to everything.
We give different diagnoses for different allergies, even though allergies have a common key mechanism.
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#48All 3 of the article's points could be applied to any hobby / passion driven profession. Next up... Guitar disorder Karate disorder Baseball disorder Fast forward 10 years... Someone coins the term "hobby disorder" after detecting numerous patterns of people wasting their life away on doing things they enjoy. Fast forward 20 years... Being passionate about anything is a thing of the past. Everyone works a corporate j…
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good point. But I think the reactions are pretty telling that there is a real problem.
A bit of well poisoning, don’t you think? That one can’t call shenanigans without supposedly being affected?
I've seen this behavior in my peers and in myself. Almost always among the addicts like myself you get two responses. "Yea no doubt lmao" or an exhaustive list of other addictions like television, cigarettes, Facebook, etc. trying to rationalize it to you and themselves. I'd like to point out in these cases it is far beyond a hobby. It is self-destructive. Going a day or more without eating or sleeping. Pulling an all-nighter because you just cant seem to get away from it. I've literally seen league of legends ruin a friends future because he couldn't study over getting in just-one-more-match. In my perspective video game addiction is an undeniable truth. And those vehemently opposed usually have a self-image interest in opposing it.
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#50That means that those few people that have serious consequences because of excessive gaming will have the right to get treatment covered by insurance.