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Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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The down voting you’re getting is emblematic of the entitlement mentality among tech folks when it comes to content. There is no right to consume entertainment someone else produced for free. If you don’t like the terms on which they’re selling the fruits of their labor, don’t buy it.

Completely playing devil's advocate here, but why should the companies feel entitled to money? If someone is going to go out of their way to pirate something, they're not spending money on it any anyway. So the company is spending their own money and time coming up with ways to prevent people from accessing their content which the other person wouldn't have paid for in the first place, then using that to show how muc…

> Completely playing devil's advocate here, but why should the companies feel entitled to money? If someone is going to go out of their way to pirate something, they're not spending money on it any anyway. So the company is spending their own money and time coming up with ways to prevent people from accessing their content which the other person wouldn't have paid for in the first place, then using that to show how much money they've lost

That analysis maybe works in the context of an individual piece of content from a single company, but it is a lot more shaky when applied to multiple pieces of content from multiple companies.

For instance, suppose someone wants to watch a movie tonight. Their first choice is not yet available on any streaming platform they subscribe to, nor is it available on any of the rental platforms they have reasonable access to. It's only available for purchase at $25.

If they cannot pirate it they aren't likely to cancel their movie night. They are likely to move on to their second or third choice that is available on one of their streaming services or is rentable.

If they pirate their first choice, then the company that provides that movie loses nothing because, as you note, they were not going to get the money anyway. The company providing their second choice however does lose out on the sale they would have made if there was no piracy.

(Well, actually, the company that makes their first choice loses nothing that night. If they could not have pirated it, they probably would not have given up on watching it. They would more likely have postponed it to a later movie night after it does become available for rental or streaming).

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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post #49

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The down voting you’re getting is emblematic of the entitlement mentality among tech folks when it comes to content. There is no right to consume entertainment someone else produced for free. If you don’t like the terms on which they’re selling the fruits of their labor, don’t buy it.

I down-voted them for stating the obvious and adding nothing of value to the discussion. Either way, it doesn't take an 'entitlement mentality' to prefer paying less for something. That's just good sense. And lots of people do pay for entertainment with the expectation that they can share it with people. Humanity has spent its entire history freely sharing things that grab our social fancy and percolate through our c…

I don’t think people are not replying to your comment because it makes a convincing argument. I suppose if you refuse to lend your car out for a $ it’s ok for someone to take it. Oh it’s a digital copy, so it’s ok for people to copy your work and give it away.

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My current and my previous Samsung TVs had this built-in as well. It can search the channel guide in the cable-box, the installed apps, as well as some pay-per-view alternatives. Works pretty damn well, actually.

I have a Samsung 'smart' tv. Oddly enough, I'm pretty tech averse when it comes to media. Do you mind sharing where this global search is, if I had it?

I can either just press the microphone button on my remote and say what I'm searching for, or hit the search icon in the home interface, it's almost all the way to the left, next to settings and source.

If you don't have either, I have no idea. Read the user manual, maybe?

Edit: It's surprisingly hard to find images online of what the search screen looks like, I'm having absolutely no luck finding any, I only get screenshots of their older smarthub crap.

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I think he is simply addressing the argument that today’s environment (multiple streaming services each with exclusive content) is any different than yesterday when it was multiple cable bundles each with exclusive channels.

Of course it is different, today you can pick and choose what you want whereas before you needed to buy the entire thing

You're speaking as if there are only two models: pay a lot for everything or pay for individual channels or shows. I want neither of those things. I want the Spotify model, where I pay 9.99 per month and I get 80% of all music across genres. I'm willing to pay for 1-2 of such services but not 5-6.

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>forgetting which show is on which On my Android TV device (Mi Box $60 at WalMart) if I search a show it aggregates results from all my apps so it doesn't even matter which app it's on I just click from the results and it opens what I want. Disclaimer: Not affiliated with anything I just mentioned just a happy customer.

Ohhh...that sounds like a nice feature! I'll research this thank you.

Yeah no problem, I had seen the Android TV box at WalMart and said to myself: if this thing is awesome I'm gifting one to my parents, now they want two more... They've been asking for it to replace cable and they're not extremely tech savvy or anything! It's also a 4K capable device, so it's pretty good, I've had it for almost 2 years now.

I otherwise would of had to use a Raspberry Pi with Kodi (and yes, the Android TV can run Kodi, much smoother).

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What you’re proposing would lead to a terrible market structure. It would eliminate the most important differentiating factor: content. Subscribing to multiple streaming services might be somewhat less convenient, but it also allows competition based on producing and distributing quality content.

Music seems to have no trouble competing on quality content despite the nearly identical catalogs of the various streaming services. You just allocate subscription money based on plays (or whatever other metric approximates “how much the paying customers like this”) and it works fine.

Music production costs are much much lower than TV/Movies.

The argument is that differentiation (and then exclusive content) is the reason why content distributors are willing to take risks.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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If those company think it’s about content libraries they’re going to lose. All those companies think: we own a lot of media, we can just build a streaming media platform. And I think they’re way underestimating how hard it is to build the technology stack and processes that Netflix has. Netflix has an engineering team and a development and deployment process that has some production studios attached to it. Disney can…

>If those company think it’s about content libraries they’re going to lose. >All those companies think: we own a lot of media, we can just build a streaming media platform.

I agree with your conclusion but it's not the technology that will kill Disney and the likes. It's the myriad compromises they'll make about the content.

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They are getting paid. I've never suggested pirating media. The streaming media companyed pay the creators. Netflix alone pays billions per year for Netflix.

So do DRM-free stores like Bandcamp.

All purchased digital music has been DRM free for a decade.

Netflix says we watched about 60 hours last month and my son watched 5 seasons of "Everybody Hates Chris" on Hulu - combined price of both services was $23 a month. How much would that cost to buy?

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So do DRM-free stores like Bandcamp.

All purchased digital music has been DRM free for a decade. Netflix says we watched about 60 hours last month and my son watched 5 seasons of "Everybody Hates Chris" on Hulu - combined price of both services was $23 a month. How much would that cost to buy?

> How much would that cost to buy?

Price usually depends on many factors of the market. But if it's not available at all, it doesn't matter how much you would be willing to pay - you can't buy it, period.

> All purchased digital music has been DRM free for a decade.

So if music can be sold DRM-free in parallel to renting services, what problem is there with video that prevents it?

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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post #42

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> Off to a torrent site or asking around to see if someone has rips or a box set. The other option is to just not watch it.

The down voting you’re getting is emblematic of the entitlement mentality among tech folks when it comes to content. There is no right to consume entertainment someone else produced for free. If you don’t like the terms on which they’re selling the fruits of their labor, don’t buy it.

> If you don’t like the terms on which they’re selling the fruits of their labor, don’t buy it.

He's not buying it. He just got it for free. Problem solved.

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