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Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. This article drops critical context. 10 years ago, one of the earliest and most potent warning signs of the coming collapse was the extreme disparity between rents and mortgages. Home prices skyrocketed while rents remained relatively flat. And just a couple years b…

That's only true if you're looking at the overall cost vs. investment profile, but I'm not entirely sure that's the point.

Renting out a property that you own can still be a long-term beneficial investment so long as the rental costs exceed the costs of borrowing on a mortgage – and that's typically much, much lower than the value of the actual mortgage payments being made. Capital growth potential is a valid reason that people may choose to invest in property, and in a market where there are many rental properties to choose from it's quite possible that rents remain below the prevailing capital repayment + interest that a mortgage would require.

But really it's hard to understand exactly what the point being made in this article is – it seems to be primarily that the "total amount" of rent being paid is now approaching parity with the "total amount" of payments being made by homeowners. I can't tell if that includes capital repayments, or if it's even accounting for an increase in renters vs. homeowners. There's basically no useful information there.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

#12
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Approaching? I could already save about 1/3 of my monthly payments by getting a mortgage instead. The only issue is the deposit to get the mortgage, it's hard to save up enough money as it is.

But the deposit is a massive issue. If you put that deposit into stocks and shares (a diversified portfolio) you could (will probably) find that outperform the cost of your mortgage and maintenance together. If they could get rid of the deposit you might break even with a stocks and shares investment plan. https://www.thebalance.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-which-is-th...

Are you advocating for zero money down mortgages?

That’s what causes market crashes.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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post #2

In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. This article drops critical context. 10 years ago, one of the earliest and most potent warning signs of the coming collapse was the extreme disparity between rents and mortgages. Home prices skyrocketed while rents remained relatively flat. And just a couple years b…

>In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property.

...In the long run, and on average.

Economic "laws" aren't ironclad; people are free to make all kinds of poor decisions, and they do. This is the foundation of the parable of the economist walking down the street and refusing to pick up the $20 bill, because if it were real, someone already would have.

We know how things should work, but they often don't. That's what is interesting.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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post #12
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the deposit is a massive issue. If you put that deposit into stocks and shares (a diversified portfolio) you could (will probably) find that outperform the cost of your mortgage and maintenance together. If they could get rid of the deposit you might break even with a stocks and shares investment plan. https://www.thebalance.com/real-estate-vs-stocks-which-is-th...

Are you advocating for zero money down mortgages? That’s what causes market crashes.

it's likely suggested as an obvious thought experiment to help define a lower bound / upper bound versus alternative, not a policy recommendation.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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The proposals laid out by politicians in the article, bear no sense of the hidden costs of zoning :-( Anecdotal: Visited a friend in London a while ago, she bought her terrace "house" (2 stories, a width of 5 meters) for 500k GBP in Wimbledon. The condition of that thing screamed "landmarked" and "dump" at the same time, while all I heard was "artificial scarcity"...

Tbf, 500k for a house in Wimbledon sounds like an absolute bargain, even if the place needed another 100k in repairs. London is super crazy for property prices.

Correct, I should've added: she bought the house 15-20 yrs. ago.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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post #2

In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. This article drops critical context. 10 years ago, one of the earliest and most potent warning signs of the coming collapse was the extreme disparity between rents and mortgages. Home prices skyrocketed while rents remained relatively flat. And just a couple years b…

> In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. That's assuming you finance your property with debt and let someone else pay for your debt. If you either happen to own a property you don't use, or own the property you live in, it makes perfect sense. You're describing everything that's wrong about the property…

I’m not sure that’s anything other than math.

If I have a property and I decide to rent it, why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs?

Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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post #2

In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. This article drops critical context. 10 years ago, one of the earliest and most potent warning signs of the coming collapse was the extreme disparity between rents and mortgages. Home prices skyrocketed while rents remained relatively flat. And just a couple years b…

The article isn't talking about disparity between rents and mortgages.

It's saying the total amount being paid in rent is approaching the total amount paid in mortgage payments. I'm not sure what that proves other than far more people are renting than previously.

This needn't even be a problem, inherently. It's just that renting is often a miserable experience in the UK, and people are having to spend far too much of their income on it, which is setting us up for all sorts of societal problems in the future.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. That's assuming you finance your property with debt and let someone else pay for your debt. If you either happen to own a property you don't use, or own the property you live in, it makes perfect sense. You're describing everything that's wrong about the property…

I’m not sure that’s anything other than math. If I have a property and I decide to rent it, why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs? Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business.

> why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs?

> Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business.

You're absolutely right if your financial and strategical planning only sees up to the next quarter.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a free market, rent will always be higher than cost of a property. If it were less, the property is an unprofitable investment and should be divested. That's assuming you finance your property with debt and let someone else pay for your debt. If you either happen to own a property you don't use, or own the property you live in, it makes perfect sense. You're describing everything that's wrong about the property…

I’m not sure that’s anything other than math. If I have a property and I decide to rent it, why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs? Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business.

You could still rent for X where maintenance < X < maintenance+mortgage, because once the house is paid off, you start getting profit. It may be a risky plan, but if you don't need cash straight away, or if you bought the house to downsize in your future, it's not a terrible plan either.

Re: Amount spent by private renters is approaching parity with mortgage payments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure that’s anything other than math. If I have a property and I decide to rent it, why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs? Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business.

> why would I rent it for anything less than the sum of my expenses plus a profit margin that will cover maintenance or repairs? > Why would anyone else? A rental property is just like any other business. You're absolutely right if your financial and strategical planning only sees up to the next quarter.

Let's say I look 10 years into the future. How does that change anything?
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