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Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Unless that site is Yelp. Or Pandora. Or... "Always" is meaningless for SAAS that you don't pay for.

Oh yes. Never write in absolutes on HN. I don't know about Yelp but Pandora asks permission. http://www.flickr.com/photos/4braham/5030673157/

When the service was launched, it did not. And I'm certain Facebook will make a similar 'mistake' again, now that the controversy has died down a bit.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I don't use Facebook. Incidentally, I adblocked "facebook.com" the other day, and a lot of sites load much faster now. In three days, the rule has been hit over 1300 times! If I had a Facebook account, this would scare me.

I use Facebook, so blocking it won't work for me. But I don't want other sites to be able to "cross-domain" Facebook, since that gives Facebook more information that I'd like. A way to block only "cross-domain" type Facebook access would be nice. Or perhaps a per-tab private browsing mode.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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Will it always do that? Are there any implicit allowances? Will there be in the future? For what's true now, I could look it up. But I'd rather not. For what will be in the future, I have no idea. The simplest thing for me to do is use my Facebook account for Facebook only.

Any information you put on Facebook is susceptible to being used in ways you don't know of or have not authorize for. All information on the internet is like this for that matter. At least currently with Facebook Connect sites FB displays an authorize display laying out the information accessible.

Yes, exactly. That is the mental model I have for Facebook: only share what I'm comfortable sharing with the world. It's a simple mental model, and I like keeping it that way. Dealing with "Do you want to allow...?" dialog boxes breaks this mental model, and doing anything with another webpage gets a big "NO" from it.

I'm conservative about what I put on FB for this very reason. I consider logging into another site with my FB account part of "what I put on FB."

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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what happens if you ad-block google?

Lots and lots and lots of sites fail because they depend on jquery hosted by google.

The CDN is a different subdomain; can Adblock not handle this?

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I am starting a new site and want to avoid authentication. In our system, two users are linked together for the purpose of our service. We do that via unique URLs. Do you think it is safe to match up emails for authentication. i.e. when user 1 wants to get his profile, he has to input his email and his partner's email. If he fails to do that then we do not pull up the profile. Does this make sense and do you think it…

Secure enough for what? The attack is simple: pick a target whose email you know, and then start guessing emails of people you think they might have an account with. This could be as easy as browsing to a website and entering pairs of emails addresses listed on the "About Us" page, or ripping through a person's Facebook friends or Twitter followers. It might be fine for completely non-sensitive data, but for anything…

Yes, the data is not that sensitive, but it is valuable. It is all about brand preference and sizes for shoes and clothing. I just hate making users create accounts.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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After years of lurking on Hacker News, I finally created an account simply to be able to post the strongest agreement possible with the original post. I do not use Facebook, and I do not wish to use Facebook, and I do not believe that I should be treated as an Unperson because of this choice. If a site wants to make certain its users/members are using their "real identity", better solutions can be found than tying themselves to Facebook! I am a hobbyist software developer and I prefer to host my own contact and information pages. This is an issue I feel very emotional about - requiring a Facebook account for the use of an unrelated service feels to me like a personal insult. The implicit message that use of Facebook is now mandatory is almost dehumanizing.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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what happens if you ad-block google?

Lots and lots and lots of sites fail because they depend on jquery hosted by google.

Google's jQuery CDN is hosted on a separate domain (that doesn't share cookies with Google services like AdWords, AdSense, and Analytics). Blocking Google.com doesn't block their jQuery CDN, nor is there a good reason to block their cookie-less CDN domain.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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The inconvenience of finding/creating a Facebook account to use in joining Quora is, imo, completely worth the value offered by Quora. You have to choose your battles. At a certain point I would rather have access than have my way.

I never bothered to sign up at stackoverflow because of OpenID. Not necessarily because I have some philosophical issue with it, but because I already have a system to maintain this stuff and OpenID is just another hoop to jump through. Adding an optional user/password signup is hardly difficult.

The difference with Stack Overflow is that you can, and may people do, use it without an OpenID. Just go ahead and post a question or answer, and you'll be assigned a cookie-based account. And if you put in an email address, you can download a new cookie for that account at any time.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I totally agree with this. I've seen a few things lately that wanted my Facebook login and I just went away instead. OpenAuth (via Google or plain) or private authentication would have been fine, but those weren't options.

The main method of Facebook authentication these days is OAuth (which I assume is what you mean by OpenAuth.)

Actually, I meant OpenID. My mistake. ;) I've had both of them on my mind lately.

Re: Start ups, please don't force me to log in with Facebook

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I never bothered to sign up at stackoverflow because of OpenID. Not necessarily because I have some philosophical issue with it, but because I already have a system to maintain this stuff and OpenID is just another hoop to jump through. Adding an optional user/password signup is hardly difficult.

The difference with Stack Overflow is that you can, and may people do, use it without an OpenID. Just go ahead and post a question or answer, and you'll be assigned a cookie-based account. And if you put in an email address, you can download a new cookie for that account at any time.

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