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Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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post #42

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> Off to a torrent site or asking around to see if someone has rips or a box set. The other option is to just not watch it.

The down voting you’re getting is emblematic of the entitlement mentality among tech folks when it comes to content. There is no right to consume entertainment someone else produced for free. If you don’t like the terms on which they’re selling the fruits of their labor, don’t buy it.

What do you think about a situation in which a consumer would be happy to pay full price to watch content, but they are prevented entirely by a service provider?

For example, suppose where you live there is a monopoly ISP-cable conglomerate, you cannot afford to move away, and you are literally unable to consume from any other ISP / cable level provider.

For some content, like watching European soccer in the US, this situation can mean that you are literally prevented from properly paying money to see that content, even though providers exist who can take your money and give you the content. It might even come down to your specific zip code, street, or even apartment building in some cities, where a content provider is case-by-case prevented from selling their content to certain residents purely based on whether a certain ISP has a monopoly on that location.

Telling the consumer to just not watch seems morally hollow in that specific case (which is a really common case). The customer wants to pay, and a third-party wants to give the content, but a rent-seeking middleman that the consumer has no control over (ISP) can limit the customer’s choices. The customer cannot do what the market would suggest and take their business elsewhere to incentivize the services they want, and because of the ubiquitous need for internet connectivity to conduct basic life duties, totally boycotting the monopoly ISP is functionally not an option. (Really, it would not be reasonable to suggest such a drastic option.)

I don’t see any ethical reason why the consumer should just accept being worse off (in terms of planned consumption), since it’s pure rent-seeking and value destruction on the part of the ISP, which the consumer is literally prevented from rejecting.

Many other ISP behaviors are likewise just artificial rent-seeking attempts, to construct artificial tiering, bundling, etc., which the consumer is prevented from “not buying” because the service provider is often literally a monopoly.

I’m just curious if you take an extreme view of this, that the ISPs or monopoly providers “are right” to use their monopoly position to introduce artificial rent-seeking opportunities? And that if a customer must choose between either paying the rent-seeking premium, stealing the content, or not consuming at all, that the customer should accept that the ISP / content provider’s ability to inflict this situation (through what are unequivocally antitrust violations that are just not punished solely because of regulatory capture) does indees mean the consumer just should opt to not consume at all?

Essentially, “because ISPs spend money on regulatory capture, I should accept living a worse life by not consuming at all rather than watching illegally.”

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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Lionsgate Starz isn’t a big company with a lot of products so paying extra to watch things for that channel will be a challenge no matter what. On the other hand, HBO seems to be doing well enough with their not so cheap stand alone offering. Disney with Fox’s media would be a pretty big streaming provider and many people would likely get onto it. Good chance of it becoming a standard streaming service. So I don’t se…

If you're talking about HBO Go, I don't know how you gauge success, but if it's subscriber numbers I would take that with a grain of salt. I am a Comcast subscriber, and like many Comcast subscribers I'm sure, I have one of their boxes in my house, with the most basic Cable TV package, because if I don't take it my cost goes up (I mean the overall price of the monthly billed amount from Comcast/Xfinity). We get crapp…

Those SD letter boxed locals are Comcast actively degrading the signal, so they can sell the HD version (which is how they receive it) at an inflated price. I sometimes think this might be illegal to tamper with a broadcast signal to degrade it on purpose.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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These companies are obsessed with fragmenting the market for the sake of owning content from production to delivery. I have bad news for them: you're going to lose. People don't want to go back to paying $100/month for a dozen streaming "channels" with one or two good shows and a the same crap the rest of the other "channels" have. We want an on-demand nexus. A single hub. Just the other day I had the urge to watch g…

> Off to a torrent site or asking around to see if someone has rips or a box set. The other option is to just not watch it.

The other option is to just not watch it.

Why wouldn't I take advantage of every possible opportunity and technology to participate in our shared culture?

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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“Companies” are not an undifferentiated mass. What does John Deere have to do with Dexter or Game of Thrones? Are people only pirating the work of “bad” companies?

Consumers aren't an undifferentiated mass either. Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate? These arguments go both ways but a large portion of this forum seems to only view it from the companies perspective

> Why are paying customers sitting through 5 minutes of FBI warnings in front of DVDs because some other people pirate?

It's not your product to design, in this case you don't get to decide how it's presented. You also don't get to decide the design of iOS, or how Apple designs its next processor, or what color Stack Overflow's logo is, or the design of Wikipedia, or what resolutions YouTube offers, or what algorithms Google uses in its search product.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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> We want an on-demand nexus. A single hub. That is close to existing, it'd be nice if the top players agreed to open their APIs so you could integrate it into a unified TV external like Chromecast or Firestick. Or, to go further, a unified platform that can process subscriptions and PPV across each library. > $100/month for a dozen streaming "channels" with one or two good shows and a the same crap the rest of the o…

The on-demand nexus already works on Apple TV. Say "I want to watch Billions" into the remote and it shows you all the services you can watch it on, then tap through to actually watching it. Now if only it existed on other platforms.

> Now if only it existed on other platforms.

and has everyone's original content.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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post #23

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Marketshare? People are happy to pay a single Netflix subscription, and many people already have one. People would be less happy to shell out for yet another subscription, especially for a single kind of content (unless you watch Disney all day, it doesn't make sense to subscribe).

I'll add that they have very good and especially very diverse shows. "La Casa de papel" is killing it (at least here in Europe), and that's because Netflix doesn't care if their shows are spoken in English, Spanish or Swahili, they know that bringing diversity into the cinematic game it's what is badly needed right now. I'd compare this to Hollywood in the late '60s - early '70s, when it needed the breeze of fresh ai…

I agree with you on the importance of diversity and the quality of Netflix programming, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the general public has no interest in comic book movies or Star Wars. The Force Awakens is the third best-selling movie of all time, and Disney’s Marvel Cinematic Universe occupies about half of the top ten best selling movies.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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>I have bad news for them: you're going to lose. People don't want to go back to paying $100/month for a dozen streaming "channels" with one or two good shows and a the same crap the rest of the other "channels" have. No. That's not the correct way to think about this. You are dreaming if you think media and production companies are going to leave $90/mo on the table. You will see prices rise. You will see multiple s…

>Age of piracy is going to end as well. I don't know how to break this to you but as long as there are more than one country there's going to be one that will not hunt down the privateers of the other. >You are dreaming if you think media and production companies are going to leave $90/mo on the table. You will see prices rise. Then so do my sails >Talk about entitled! Not really, I'm willing to pay you something for…

>I don't know how to break this to you but as long as there are more than one country there's going to be one that will not hunt down the privateers of the other.

Ok. Piracy will be made harder and harder, to the point where it will be inaccessible to mainstream. This also means that the tech savvy pirates will be more exposed.

>If studios weren't greedy and produced objectively garbage content I would buy a product on faith but in a world where there are how many Pirates of the Caribbean movies, I'll be more skeptical.

That entire paragraph is weirdly nonsensical. You don't have an ineliable right to watch movies, you aren't the universal judge of movie quality (lots of people like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies), and you aren't entitled to dictate how you want the business of media to operate (i.e. you get to pick how much or how little you pay). It's one thing to pirate, it's another to think you're a 'good guy'.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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These companies are obsessed with fragmenting the market for the sake of owning content from production to delivery. I have bad news for them: you're going to lose. People don't want to go back to paying $100/month for a dozen streaming "channels" with one or two good shows and a the same crap the rest of the other "channels" have. We want an on-demand nexus. A single hub. Just the other day I had the urge to watch g…

How noble of you to steal what you didn’t want to pay for to fulfill your urge. Do you try this at the grocery store also when you get frustrated by the prices charged by the people that created the items?

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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some poeple will just go back to p2p and there is nothing they can do.

I think you'll find avenues for piracy are going to be limited. Even now piracy isn't quite the same as it used to be.

Easier than ever to get season packs, rips, remuxes. And that’s downloads. If you want to stream, it’s even easier.

Re: Netflix Is Why AT&T bought Time Warner, and Comcast and Disney want Fox

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These companies are obsessed with fragmenting the market for the sake of owning content from production to delivery. I have bad news for them: you're going to lose. People don't want to go back to paying $100/month for a dozen streaming "channels" with one or two good shows and a the same crap the rest of the other "channels" have. We want an on-demand nexus. A single hub. Just the other day I had the urge to watch g…

People don't want to pay $100 a month for cable TV either, but they did it anyway (for decades) and continue to do so. Now we're being asked to buy a bunch of streaming services and we'll bitch and moan, but ultimately we'll pay because every major platform will have at least one show that justifies their existence.

I associate CBS with bland procedural crime dramas and awful three-camera sitcoms. CBS All Access would have been doomed without Star Trek: Discovery. Admittedly, the show isn't particularly good, but I'm a trekkie so it doesn't matter. On the plus side, I discovered The Good Fight (a surprising smart, entertaining and well written show) so I now I have a legitimate reason to give a damn about All Access.

And then Apple will offer their own gateway drug (Lord of the Rings?) and Disney (...well they could just offer their back catalogue alone and still be a major player) and so on.

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