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They clearly do. The most explicit example is that ancestry correlates with whether you are a native speaker of the dialect the test was written in.
But yet Asians perform the best on standardized tests, not whites who comes from England?
why does america systematically discriminate minorities? ex. media emasculates/villifies minority men while fetishizing minority women.
The situation you’re talking about applies almost purely to Asian (south/east) Americans. It’s the complete reverse in regards to black folks, and nonexistent in Hispanic Americans (look up intermarriage statistics).
Discussed 13 hours ago with 117 comments[0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320360
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>The most explicit example is that ancestry correlates with whether you are a native speaker of the dialect the test was written in. What kind of absurd "argument" is this? If you're testing for a university in America, the expectation is that not only will the test be in English, but the vast bulk of your university courses. And Asian Americans, despite a large number coming from families of non-English speakers, st…
So you disagree with the assertion that native speakers of a specific dialect score higher than non-native speakers of that dialect--all else being equal? Or did you just decide you'd rather argue with something I didn't write?
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> race is not relevant unless you are an indigenous Australian or Torres Strait islander So... race is relevant, then? I mean, that's a pretty big "unless".
Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders make up only 3% of the Australian population, so it's not that big.
[1] No matter how hard the current administration seems intent on trying.
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But yet Asians perform the best on standardized tests, not whites who comes from England?
Do you have any data on white English immigrants who take the SAT? I sure don't.
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So you disagree with the assertion that native speakers of a specific dialect score higher than non-native speakers of that dialect--all else being equal? Or did you just decide you'd rather argue with something I didn't write?
There is in all cultures a language of educated discourse. To take an extreme example, nobody ever natively spoke scholarly Mandarin and wrote eight-legged essays for fun. The SAT is less severe, but, yeah, it requires some effort and practice to be familiar with the language and the essay format. Not being able or willing to put in the effort to learn this very accessible information is not a good sign for being abl…
>Not being able or willing to put in the effort to learn
This has nothing to do with putting in effort. Across a population, people who grew up speaking a dialect will perform better on a test than people who learned to speak that dialect later.
This isn't a controversial statement.
If your goal is to ensure that speakers of other dialects have equal access to top tier higher education, you will need to account for that somehow.
If you dont care about equal access to speakers of other dialects, then you don't have to do anything.
Discussed 13 hours ago with 117 comments[0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17320360
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Do you have any data on white English immigrants who take the SAT? I sure don't.
The children of East Asian immigrants perform better than the children of white Americans. How does the language hypothesis you put forth account for that?
2. Asian immigrants tend to learn the prestige dialect (the dialect the SAT is written in), so if their children are native English speakers, they tend to learn that dialect natively.
4. Language differences are a factor in performance but obviously not the only factor or the largest factor.