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White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

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Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't use the "Made in the USA" label like that anyway. It must be all or virtually all made in the USA. At best you could label it "Made in USA from Imported Parts" or "Assembled in USA." https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/com...

My intention was that the casing and PCBs would be made in the USA. The only China sourced parts would be the PCB components.(Not finalized/assembled PCBs.) As far as I know that would qualify for "Made in the USA".

You are 100% correct in this. You can call your device just fine as made in the USA even if your passives, ICs and so on come from elsewhere. The other commenters don't understand anything about electronics.

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#112
Sure does smack of tossing ol' Briar Rabbit into the briar patch. "Punishing" them by making their finished goods a ton more competitive by kneecapping our own industry? Wha?!

Forget Russia, should we maybe be looking into what China may have done to get this guy elected?

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

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post #33
post #21

So, to encourage manufacturers in the US to build more stuff in the US, they will increase tariffs on components so that it will cost even more to build something in the US than to build it in China. Good plan, hello Canada!

I am in the middle of starting a business around a product that will get slammed by this. I was going to import the components and have the boards built here.("Made in the USA" labels are huge for my target market.) Assuming I am parsing all of this correctly it will end up being better for me to have the PCBs assembled into the products in China and not create jobs in the USA.

> "get slammed by this..."

Wait, a second... Do you really know this? Have your supplier prices already increased? By how much on average of each imported component? What's the total increase per unit shipped?

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#114
post #28

I guess my earlier comment was too long, so let me provide a shorter version: this action actively harms anyone attempting to design, prototype, and manufacture electronic devices in the US. There isn't a single component in the projects I'm currently working on which isn't impacted by this. My cost of goods just went up by 25% across the board today in an effort to help "protect" American businesses. I don't feel li…

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Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#115
post #28

I guess my earlier comment was too long, so let me provide a shorter version: this action actively harms anyone attempting to design, prototype, and manufacture electronic devices in the US. There isn't a single component in the projects I'm currently working on which isn't impacted by this. My cost of goods just went up by 25% across the board today in an effort to help "protect" American businesses. I don't feel li…

NO!! Don't you understand?? Yes, we'll suffer for 50 years, BUT in that time the supply chain will be created in the U.S. and our grandkids and their children will be able to benefit from having all that industry in the U.S. instead of China. And if I'm wrong, I won't be alive to be able to say I'm sorry to my grandkids who are now living in a barren wasteland. The best solutions are the ones you won't be around to s…

But isn't the reason these products are made in China because it's inherently both more efficient and cost-effective?

You're saying we should make products in a less efficient and more expensive way to avoid relying on other countries?

And by the way isn't the bulk of our imports raw materials anyway?

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#116
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if worse comes to worse bring manufacturing back to the US If these tariffs are on components and not manufactured goods, then it seems like it would push manufacturing into China, not bring it back to the US.

Not if the goal is to bring back component manufacturing.

Who’s going to buy the US-made components if the manufacturers that use those products have already moved to China because of the tariffs?

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#117
post #52

It's punishment for stealing hundreds of billions of dollars of IP, illegally subsidizing businesses to steal market share, and general national security by not outsourcing knowledge and infrastructure critical to national security to save a few bucks. It's easy to let someone push you back inch by inch instead of fighting back, but eventually you're on the edge of a cliff and have nowhere else to go. I'd take short…

I don't know why you're being downvoted; China absolutely does all of those things. They are not playing fair in the global market and never have. One can debate whether or not the tariff is the right approach, but let's not pretend that China is a victim.

Whereas the US has always played fair in the global market and never used its dollar position, tarriffs, sanction, invasions etc for market advantage?

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#118
post #28

I guess my earlier comment was too long, so let me provide a shorter version: this action actively harms anyone attempting to design, prototype, and manufacture electronic devices in the US. There isn't a single component in the projects I'm currently working on which isn't impacted by this. My cost of goods just went up by 25% across the board today in an effort to help "protect" American businesses. I don't feel li…

NO!! Don't you understand?? Yes, we'll suffer for 50 years, BUT in that time the supply chain will be created in the U.S. and our grandkids and their children will be able to benefit from having all that industry in the U.S. instead of China. And if I'm wrong, I won't be alive to be able to say I'm sorry to my grandkids who are now living in a barren wasteland. The best solutions are the ones you won't be around to s…

> Canada

too late.

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#119
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he wanted to highlight the bi-partisan support for the action.

Thank you, I'm glad you were able to deconstruct the sentences critically instead of emotionally triggering.

Maybe, but both sides aren't the exact same.

Re: White House announces 25 percent tariff on Chinese tech goods

#120
post #28

I guess my earlier comment was too long, so let me provide a shorter version: this action actively harms anyone attempting to design, prototype, and manufacture electronic devices in the US. There isn't a single component in the projects I'm currently working on which isn't impacted by this. My cost of goods just went up by 25% across the board today in an effort to help "protect" American businesses. I don't feel li…

At 5% you would laugh it off as a sales tax.

I'm curious if these tariff taxes will meaningfully lower the budget deficit.

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